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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 16, 2015 at 6:52 pm
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(December 16, 2015 at 5:16 pm)Delicate Wrote: And ID is not theistic evolution. (link)
And criticizing the legal decision does not entail supporting ID. It's entirely possible for bad legal decisions to do something good, like ban ID in the classroom.
You might find this interesting:
Quote:Objection #2: Intelligent Design Rejects All of Evolutionary Biology
The Short Rebuttal: Intelligent design does not reject all of evolutionary biology. ID “does not challenge the
idea of ‘evolution’ defined as either change over time or common ancestry, but it does dispute Darwin's idea
that the cause of biological change is wholly blind and undirected.”
Where did I get this? Glad you asked; page 7 of the Discovery Institute's The College Student's Back to School Guide to Intelligent Design.
http://www.evolutionnews.org/BacktoSchoo...009_FN.pdf
Also, if you read the Plantinga article previously linked, Plantinga was not challenging the legal merits of the Dover decision. He was specifically challenging the conclusion that ID was not science which made the decision possible. Plantinga's argument was that ID is science. This is a clear demonstration of Plantinga's support for ID.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 16, 2015 at 7:07 pm
(December 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 15, 2015 at 4:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Thanks for answering. May I ask what religion you are?
Some form of Christianity has the most compelling historical evidence for it.
Give me one single verifiable piece of evidence that christianity is true, or even based on actual events.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 7:07 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote: (December 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm)Delicate Wrote: Some form of Christianity has the most compelling historical evidence for it.
Give me one single verifiable piece of evidence that christianity is true, or even based on actual events.
Because it says so in that old book written by unscientific people which took over 1,000 years and 40 authors to complete and I wont admit the irony that my all powerful sky wizard too mere humans to write it over that time when he poofed all this into existence in one setting.
Hey, what right do you have to point out to me that other people on this planet of 7 billion who hold different holy books to be true do the same thing? It's like you are challenging me to think. Faith doesn't require that you big meany!
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 12:45 pm
Certainly there is evidence that Christianity exists otherwise it would not exist. But that is not the same as evidence for the fantastic claims in that book, or even for an invisible sky wizard.
Most people don't understand that the character was written about after the alleged time. Peppering real people and real places into a work of literature in fiction and movies all the time. The original book Peter Pan mentions the real city of London but nobody believes that Peter Pan exists.
I am real, and Donald Trump is real, but if I wrote a book right now claiming he gave me 10,000,000 dollars and did so through a magic wand, in Central Park NY would anyone reading that find that to be credible.
The bible does contain real people and real places, but that does not mean there are such things as invisible sky wizards who clone themselves and preform magic tricks like walking on water, turning water into wine, curing the blind without a medical degree and rising from the dead surviving rigor mortis or being born without a second set of DNA. Just like we know men don't pop out of dirt and women don't come from a man's rib.
There was a group of people who started the movement, yes, but they were merely mortals creating and marketing a new religion.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm
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Quote:"If you have some news or atheist activism to share, post it here. Links to news articles & blog posts are most welcome!"
Interesting that the above quote can be seen just above where one enters this particular thread, don't you think?
And if atheism isn't a new religion, why are atheist churches popping up? Just wondering.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:15 pm
No, it's not.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:19 pm
(December 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)Reflex Wrote: Quote:"If you have some news or atheist activism to share, post it here. Links to news articles & blog posts are most welcome!"
Interesting that the above quote can be seen just above where one enters this particular thread, don't you think?
And if atheism isn't a new religion, why are atheist churches popping up?
"atheist" describes a position not a club. "Atheists" do form clubs and yes some call them churches, I don't think they should and I do think it is a bad idea.
Just like owning a gun doesn't mean you are automatically an NRA member.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:26 pm
(December 17, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (December 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)Reflex Wrote: Interesting that the above quote can be seen just above where one enters this particular thread, don't you think?
And if atheism isn't a new religion, why are atheist churches popping up?
"atheist" describes a position not a club. "Atheists" do form clubs and yes some call them churches, I don't think they should and I do think it is a bad idea.
Just like owning a gun doesn't mean you are automatically an NRA member.
I don't agree or disagree. But do not these "clubs" get together for the same reason persons of similar religious beliefs get together?
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:31 pm
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(December 17, 2015 at 2:14 pm)Reflex Wrote: Quote:"If you have some news or atheist activism to share, post it here. Links to news articles & blog posts are most welcome!"
Interesting that the above quote can be seen just above where one enters this particular thread, don't you think?
And if atheism isn't a new religion, why are atheist churches popping up?
Please show the working on how 'active' atheism = religion.
I want a step by step thought process that clearly separates out how activism on a given subject and religion are equivalent.
As to the second point, atheists churches, I presume you mean the ones as set up by people like Alain de Botton? All I can say is that a building or a meeting does not make a religion, and neither will you find many people here agreeing with them/him. Atheists are like a herd of cats, we rarely agree on anything except the minimum lack of belief in deities.
But if atheism is a religion, I'd like to know what you think makes it a religion beyond a building where people of like mind come together for whatever reason.
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RE: Yes, Atheism is a Religion
December 17, 2015 at 2:33 pm
(December 17, 2015 at 2:26 pm)Reflex Wrote: (December 17, 2015 at 2:19 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "atheist" describes a position not a club. "Atheists" do form clubs and yes some call them churches, I don't think they should and I do think it is a bad idea.
Just like owning a gun doesn't mean you are automatically an NRA member.
I don't agree or disagree. But do not these "clubs" get together for the same reason persons of similar religious beliefs get together?
There is a difference between a club and a religion. People who form clubs may be active and even lobby, yes, but religion is not just simply a club. It is a much deeper tribalism than merely flocking to like minded people. And also why I don't like "Atheists" calling themselves churches. I know why they do it, because they want to compete to replace religion and they also have more of a sense of empathy right now. I don't like calling them Churches because while it may sound harmless now, the current crop of atheists alive now wont be around forever and we cannot guarantee that we wont repeat the same mistakes. Best thing for all humans to do is understand we are still the same species and subject to the same evolutionary behaviors good or bad, and that labels will not automatically make someone good or bad.
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