When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

What you will never see from an atheist is any denial of reality. 

So not acknowledging God's existence is all of a sudden the new way to determine the sincere towards the truth, the people accept proofs when shown to them, the people who reject falsehood and struggle for truth?

It's better to just speak for yourself. And if you are going to speak for yourself, try to measure your intention and see how sincere you are in that.

I've presented so much arguments over the years and I've come to the conclusion there is many conclusive evidence and sound arguments for the existence of God. If you want to debate me,  I will happily debate you about this issue in the debate section of this forum.

Get it through your head, son - arguments mean absolutely nothing at best, and they amount to the nastiest possible shit at worst! The point is don't argue, just show something! There's no such thing as something real which you can see, and the rest of us are blind to. If you have nothing other than personal experience which proves your god to you, then you have no evidence to present to the rest of us, so knock it the fuck off with your insults by calling it what it isn't! Maybe the god you experienced is in fact real, but don't pretend our not seeing this is due to any failure on our part when we suggest otherwise. Maybe also said experiences are not really what you think they mean, and the failure is your probable blindness for failing to see and consider other possible explanations than an unseen and voiceless person saying "Here I am, your God!" If you actually are hearing voices or seeing things which others don't, then you really need to get your head checked out!

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@Delicate:

Just because you've got a head full of delusions doesn't make them reality. Oh, you really don't know the difference, do you?

[Delicate]

So not acknowledging God's existence is all of a sudden the new way to determine the sincere towards the truth, the people accept proofs when shown to them, the people who reject falsehood and struggle for truth?

It's better to just speak for yourself. And if you are going to speak for yourself, try to measure your intention and see how sincere you are in that.

I've presented so much arguments over the years and I've come to the conclusion there is many conclusive evidence and sound arguments for the existence of God. If you want to debate me,  I will happily debate you about this issue in the debate section of this forum.

Get it through your head, son - arguments mean absolutely nothing at best, and they amount to the nastiest possible shit at worst! The point is don't argue, just show something! There's no such thing as something real which you can see, and the rest of us are blind to. If you have nothing other than personal experience which proves your god to you, then you have no evidence to present to the rest of us, so knock it the fuck off with your insults by calling it what it isn't! Maybe the god you experienced is in fact real, but don't pretend our not seeing this is due to any failure on our part when we suggest otherwise. Maybe also said experiences are not really what you think they mean, and the failure is your probable blindness for failing to see and consider other possible explanations than an unseen and voiceless person saying "Here I am, your God!" If you actually are hearing voices or seeing things which others don't, then you really need to get your head checked out!

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@Delicate:

Just because you've got a head full of delusions doesn't make them reality. Oh, you really don't know the difference, do you?

Maximum Ignorance Level reached with your post here, buddy.

[robvalue]

If some people actually have a method of communication with this "God" character like they claim, why does nothing useful or even interesting ever come of it?

If there was a group of people who refused to believe one of my friends was real, despite what I considered to be obvious evidence that he was in fact real, I wouldn't care. Why should I? I'd feel no need to go to forums full of such people and present massive arguments why my friend does in fact exist. If I know they exist, then that would be good enough for me.

If a group of people refused to believe one of your friends didn't exist, and their reasons for disbelief were absolutely moronic, wouldn't you be curious to understand how these people function?

Yes, I'd be curious. You don't appear to be curious, however. You're just insulting atheists.

You didn't address why I should care if there is a god. What difference should it make to me?

[Cecelia]

If a group of people refused to believe one of your friends didn't exist, and their reasons for disbelief were absolutely moronic, wouldn't you be curious to understand how these people function?

No.  I would first introduce them to my friend in person.  If they continued denying their existence, and I was sure they existed, I would start to question my sanity.  I would not assume that I am right, and that the group of people are wrong.

[Cecelia]

I've presented many arguments for God here over the years.

My experience is that they come to deny primary premises which cannot be proven except by direct experience or witnessing.

For example, deny we know we have perpetual identity. Deny we know we inherit our actions (it becomes part of who we are). Deny we know there is objective praise or morality or value or worth or greatness or honor. Deny there are stages -higher and lower, and that this system of inheriting our actions is obvious. Deny the light. Deny everything that points to God. Even deny we know free-will exists if it leads you to believe in a soul.

But this is to me is to no surprise no more. I have thought of the issue of how obvious it is upon sincere reflection of what we are.  That we are spiritual beings, souls, it's obvious we aren't just a program created by a biological machine, but that, we really are something of substance....not just an experience created through what doesn't have experience. We aren't non-material experience created by material. We are spiritual beings. It's so manifest, so clear.

God is the Manifest True King.

I use to think most Atheists would not mind believing in God if they were presented evidence. But I've come to the conclusion, very few of humanity seek the truth or embrace it when they find it.

You're the one not seeking truth.  You refuse to accept the possibility that you are wrong, which by definition is not seeking the truth.  Those who seek the truth are willing to consider that they are wrong.  They do not come up with a finite answer.  Those that do are only lying to themselves.

[Kingly342]

There IS no Evidence. Don't you find it strange that neither 'god' nor 'Jesus' has appeared for 2,000 years!? I do!
And isn't it strange that prayers aren't fulfilled? If I prayed for cancer to be cured tomorrow would it happen? NO.

[Delicate]

If a group of people refused to believe one of your friends didn't exist, and their reasons for disbelief were absolutely moronic, wouldn't you be curious to understand how these people function?

Yes, I'd be curious. You don't appear to be curious, however. You're just insulting atheists.

You didn't address why I should care if there is a god. What difference should it make to me?

Take a moment to go through my posting history and you'll sing a different tune about my insults.

As for why you should care, I think any intellectually honest person would care if they knew there was a maximally great being, the creator of the universe, who existed necessarily and grounded all of morality. 

Wouldn't you be intellectually dishonest if you said you didn't care about something like that?

[robvalue]

Scientific curiosity, yes. But what difference should it make to my life?

And no, I've read through many of your posts and you seem not at all curious about atheists. If you are, maybe you could tell me five things you have learned from your time on the forum about "atheists", and the reasons behind their belief, that you didn't already know.

[Delicate]

Scientific curiosity, yes. But what difference should it make to my life?

And no, I've read through many of your posts and you seem not at all curious about atheists. If you are, maybe you could tell me five things you have learned from your time on the forum about "atheists", and the reasons behind their belief, that you didn't already know.

No offense, but that seems somewhat sociopathic.

One can get excited to watch the Star Wars flick, get a promotion, grab some drinks at the bar. Watch the game. Get a haircut. Buy a new pair of shoes. Eat at a new restaurant. All this makes a difference in your life, surely.

But the ground of good and evil, the source of all of reality and the mind of such a perfect and powerful being, one who is supposed to love you more than anything, arouses no personal, non-scientific interest or curiosity whatsoever?

There's something unhuman about that, right? Who would reject a chance to get to know the being who created them, were such a being to exist, without being either consumed by irrational and self-gratifying priorities, or one who bore a deep and irrational hatred of God?

As for my curiosity, you read me wrong. Go through my posting history for the record of insults (by me and against me). My curiosity about atheists is precisely in those areas that do not involve self-reporting and atheistic rationalizations of prior positions. I won't get answers by posing surveys in my posts.

As for what I've learned:

1) The atheists on this forum are, largely, deeply anti-intellectual and uninterested in developing their critical thinking. My attempts to engage rationally was initially completely or predominantly unprofitable.
2) Most anti-theism here is deeply emotional. The responses here towards theism overflows with rage, hatred, contempt, and other negative feelings. Very little in the way of rational argument goes on.
3) For most of my interlocutors, truth is unimportant of a view. They won't pursue uncomfortable truths, but they will pursue what sits nicely with a priori atheistic commitments.
4) This might be a general problem, not just one that afflicts atheists. When people study things that go against their beliefs, their desire to understand and comprehension ability plummet. 

I'll think of a fifth later.

[robvalue]

Sure, I'd be interested in having a relationship with this being. But simply being convinced it exists is not enough to be able to interact with it. It needs to interact back. Feel free to send it my way. If it continues to hide from me, then that's too bad. Either way, I'm not going to worship it. If it is already trying to interact with me, but failing to even get my attention, then this is not consistent with a supreme being.

Your conclusions show no understanding at all, you seem to have just reinforced your belief that atheists are stupid.

Atheism is, by default, a position of uncertainty. Of admitting the truth is not yet clear. You still haven't shown you actually understand what atheism is.

If I misread your position, I apologise. But that's all I can see, especially given what you have "learned", which reflect the things you have said from the start. If you want to show me otherwise, then please do so. Just telling me to look at your posts does not change their content, which I've already seen plenty of. Look at the title of this thread.