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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 5:48 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 25, 2015 at 3:42 am)Delicate Wrote: You haven't presented a fault. You've alleged a definition that makes no sense.
I reject it, and I've given reasons for doing so.
If my reasons don't cut mustard, please explain how. But don't keep repeating the baseless assertion any the definition of atheism.
At the end of the day disbelief in god is such a small part of my make up that equating it with my disbelief in elves is exactly right. Elves are mythological creatures that people believed to fill holes in their understanding where as god........is the same. Delicate wants to elevate belief in god to another level, something that is so evident that to disbelieve you have to rail against. This is obviously wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_Fp09NC_0 And yet you've spent hours of your life posting on an atheist forum.
LOL.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable here.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 6:48 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 25, 2015 at 5:48 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: At the end of the day disbelief in god is such a small part of my make up that equating it with my disbelief in elves is exactly right. Elves are mythological creatures that people believed to fill holes in their understanding where as god........is the same. Delicate wants to elevate belief in god to another level, something that is so evident that to disbelieve you have to rail against. This is obviously wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_Fp09NC_0 And yet you've spent hours of your life posting on an atheist forum.
LOL.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable here.
I missed the part of this thread where you gave your reasons for rejecting the definition of atheism can you repeat the reasons again?
I won't be able to tell if your reasons cut the mustard or not otherwise.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 6:52 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 25, 2015 at 5:48 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: At the end of the day disbelief in god is such a small part of my make up that equating it with my disbelief in elves is exactly right. Elves are mythological creatures that people believed to fill holes in their understanding where as god........is the same. Delicate wants to elevate belief in god to another level, something that is so evident that to disbelieve you have to rail against. This is obviously wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR_Fp09NC_0 And yet you've spent hours of your life posting on an atheist forum.
LOL.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable here.
I never really discuss my atheism normally and it was only when I was introduced to this forum that I became a little obsessed with stupid theists, the lack of ability to view reality as it really is even though it is bleeding obvious and confirmed by all observations intrigues me and all the really stupid theists seem to make their way eventually. Case in point......
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 6:59 pm
The irony of delicate saying that, after spending alot of time with us bunch of uneducated, dumb atheists, huh?
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 6:59 pm
Its his own words.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 8:23 pm
(December 24, 2015 at 4:32 am)Delicate Wrote: (December 24, 2015 at 2:09 am)Jenny A Wrote: You continually miss the fact that a logical argument is only as good as the factual premises on which it is based.
If all men are immortal, and Socrates is a man, then Socrates is immortal. Garbage in, garbage out. As long as your premises remain unproven, any argument dependant upon them is just so much nonsense.
That's asserted but not demonstrated.
For all their bravado atheists here never get off the ground with demonstrating the truth of their claims. I'd love to see that change.
Your missed the point. I don't believe Socrates is immortal. I gave you an example of an arguement which is invalid because its premese is unsubstantiated. No reliance can be placed on the conclusion regardless of the logical soundness of any argument that folows there from. In my example the logic is sound, but the premise is not.
Similarly, in your arguments for god you often begin with faulty premise.
Surely, you can't be as obtuse as you pretend. Your are either responding without thinking or trolling.
As to demonstrating that there is no god, I don't pretend to do that. It is an undemonstrable claim if God is defined so as to be unfalsafible. What I can do is repeat that there is no credible evidenice for a god. Providing credible evidence of god is the theists job, not that of atheists.
If you really don't get this, try to disprove the existence of unicorns. Is the fact you can't proof of unicorns? It is not. The same is true of any god claim.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Delicate is fucking disingenuous and definitely way too fucking disingenuous to admit that he's wrong.
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 8:36 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 6:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm)Delicate Wrote: And yet you've spent hours of your life posting on an atheist forum.
LOL.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable here.
I never really discuss my atheism normally and it was only when I was introduced to this forum that I became a little obsessed with stupid theists, the lack of ability to view reality as it really is even though it is bleeding obvious and confirmed by all observations intrigues me and all the really stupid theists seem to make their way eventually. Case in point......
It's easy to look at this post as post hoc rationalizing.
But I'm wondering how you became obsessed with theists after joining this forum. There aren't very many here at all.
And what do you claim reality is, whatever it is that theists don't see?
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 25, 2015 at 8:55 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 8:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (December 24, 2015 at 4:32 am)Delicate Wrote: That's asserted but not demonstrated.
For all their bravado atheists here never get off the ground with demonstrating the truth of their claims. I'd love to see that change.
Your missed the point. I don't believe Socrates is immortal. I gave you an example of an arguement which is invalid because its premese is unsubstantiated. No reliance can be placed on the conclusion regardless of the logical soundness of any argument that folows there from. In my example the logic is sound, but the premise is not.
Similarly, in your arguments for god you often begin with faulty premise.
Surely, you can't be as obtuse as you pretend. Your are either responding without thinking or trolling.
As to demonstrating that there is no god, I don't pretend to do that. It is an undemonstrable claim if God is defined so as to be unfalsafible. What I can do is repeat that there is no credible evidenice for a god. Providing credible evidence of god is the theists job, not that of atheists.
If you really don't get this, try to disprove the existence of unicorns. Is the fact you can't proof of unicorns? It is not. The same is true of any god claim.
Ooh, ooh, Teacher Jenny, pick me, pick me, I got this!!! Unicorns DO exist! God said so in the Bible, he did!!! At least three times, Job 39:9–12; Psalm 29:6; Isaiah 34:7! They have one horn, they skip like calves, and they're supposed to be really strong!!! -- I wonder what happened to them?
But it's in the Bible, so it's EVIDENCE, right Delicate? Even though nobody has found any fossils for a type of horse that had a horn? Some people think it's a mis-translation, it should have been a rhinoceros, but god doesn't make silly mistakes like that, does he?
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RE: When Atheists Can't Think Episode 1: No Evidence for God?
December 26, 2015 at 6:24 am
(December 25, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Delicate Wrote: (December 25, 2015 at 6:52 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I never really discuss my atheism normally and it was only when I was introduced to this forum that I became a little obsessed with stupid theists, the lack of ability to view reality as it really is even though it is bleeding obvious and confirmed by all observations intrigues me and all the really stupid theists seem to make their way eventually. Case in point......
It's easy to look at this post as post hoc rationalizing.
But I'm wondering how you became obsessed with theists after joining this forum. There aren't very many here at all.
And what do you claim reality is, whatever it is that theists don't see?
Well the particular idiot that peaked my interest was an Eastern European Orthodox Christian by the name of IFightForJesus a rather ill educated person it seems had heard of christianity but actually knew not a lot about it and its history, you'd be surprised how often this is the case, but I digress, I was introduced to this poster by a friend of mine who was an administrator on this forum a sort of "look at the sort of morons we get here" kind of thing and then I was hooked. You'd also be surprised at the amount of theistic idiots that pass through they be thin on the ground by gum they're entertaining Waldorf and Statler was a high point in self delusion trying to make the facts fit the bible by postulating that light travelled instantaneously in one direction and other twists of the mind to try and bend an uncooperative reality to fit with his god made world.
Theists tend to see a world made by god, they see a nice vista, god did that, someone gets saved unexpectedly in some way, god did that, but when the opposite happens god never gets the blame now does it, So theists go into the world with god tinted spectacles as a preconceived way of looking at the world. the only way to remove prejudged ideas from how we view anything is to rigorously apply the scientific method. When you do that to all the evidence none of it even hints at the existence of the thing you call god. So non-belief is the only option for any rational intelligent suitably informed person.
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