The role of Islam in the current conflicts

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[abaris]

Great. Bigots on one side and apologists on the other.

You probably don't even realize that you're playing the no true scottsman card here. Of course the radicals have everything to do with Islam - as they understand it. These conflicts have political as well as radical religious backgrounds.

[Anomalocaris]

The role of Islam in these modern conflicts is one and the same.

Islam seriously retarded every culture is touched and hampered their attainment of modernity in social, economic and military terms.   So Islam made the Islamic world the natural victims of the west.   Islam's only response to the weakness its innate primitivism had inflicted upon its victims is to scream more stridently for more primitivism.

Islam is involved in so many wars because Islam made Muslims so ripe for the picking. Islam's influence upon its victims can be summarized as "incorrigibly backwards, incorrigibly in denial, and bitterly resentful of anyone who points that out".

[dyresand]

It's simple the mindset of zealotry and the fucking ideology and political issues.
Take a look at the middle east and fucking Israel. The mindset of anti semitic thing has been
around even before Hitler. So then you have the 1940's the persecution of the jews
they were nearly wiped off the face of the earth and their culture. So after that with a lot issues
fighting etc you get Israel a pretty good place to call for their own. Note every other Judochristian belief
is fine with the jews except for guess what the muslims. You know why because Israel is the birth place
of both of our religions yet we all worship the same god one of us is just very primitive and hate filled.
Then you look at it all 3 religions teach hate, violence, rape, murder, killing, genocide, etc. Besides that
one only needs to look at the economy to see what sort of conditions people are living in and it's not very good
conditions. If people were in better living conditions to what they are now sure things would be better but the
fact is people still hold a irrational intolerance and hatred and they use that to cause so many damn issues.

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[CapnAwesome]

You have to be careful with who you link to. The Neturei Karta are a very strange, very religious and very small cult in the Jewish world, notable for attending holocaust denial conferences. I think to use them as an example of Jews being against Israel is pretty bad form. Not that there aren't Jews that think Israel is a bad idea. Many secular Jews in the US do.

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You have to be careful with who you link to. The Neturei Karta are a very strange, very religious and very small cult in the Jewish world, notable for attending holocaust denial conferences. I think to use them as an example of Jews being against Israel is pretty bad form. Not that there aren't Jews that think Israel is a bad idea. Many secular Jews in the US do.

Then, why don't the same be applied to ISIS ? just arguing, that many conflicts -like the conflict in Syria- is actually witnessing the acts of a small extremist weird sect in the Muslim world calling itself "ISIS".

Above all, here is a quote from the Neturei Katra about page :

Neturei Karta is not - as is often alleged - a small sect or an extremist group of "ultra-orthodox" Jews. The Neturei Karta have added nothing to nor have they taken anything away from the written and oral law of the Torah as it is expressed in the Halacha and the Shulchan Aruch. The Neturei Karta are fighting the changes and inroads made by political Zionism during the past one-hundred odd years. Guided by the rabbis of our time and under the inspiring leadership of the late Reb Amram Blau, the Neturei Karta refuse to recognize the right of anyone to establish a "Jewish" state during the present period of exile.

Your statement, about the amounts of secular Jews who are against Israel, approve the above statement.  Denying the holocaust is an opinion, that should be protected under the laws & rules of the freedom of speech. 

Many atheists too, deny the massacres of Israel against Muslims, and ironically it's an accepted view despite the modern evidence that includes documents, graves & video footages.

In that case, denying the holocaust should not be a view that demonizes its carrier.

[Anomalocaris]

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The topic was never about culture, nor the impact of religion on it. Rather, it's about wars & conflict.
The claim is bigoted, and throws the crimes of the west on Islam. Plain & simple.

The Muslim world was not the only victim of western imperialism, and proof is wide that wherever natural recourses are, the west will be present with arms and weaponry to take its interest. 

The native Americans are one example. The west's foreign policy is based on profiting from warfare, death, and bloodshed, blaming it on Islam is something bigoted and considered as blowing ash in the eyes to cover up something nasty.

So? Several other victims of western imperialism understood and embraced modernity. As a result they made themselves victims no longer. In fact, of all the cultures of any size and scope that ran afoul of modern western imperialism, almost everyone that weren't destroyed by the initial collision have managed to embrace modernity within 50-150 years or so and raised themselves to parity or near parity with the west in modernity, all but those blighted by Islam.

It is a necessary attribute for a culture to adapt that which is practically better. it say it is the crime of the west to pick on Islamic world is utterly irrelevant. To be weak and unable to become strong may be no crime, but it is a sure predictor of being picked on. To harp on those who pick on the weak while not address what kept the weak weak is about as useful as claiming gravity committed a crime by pulling a man who failed secure himself to his death, therefore men ought not to be blamed for not securing themselves.

Practically, Islam has been unable to surmount itself to become modern. Therefore it must either prevent the world from becoming modern, or it would become victim of one or another that does.

Islam's crime is doubled down on the utterly repulsive as well as utterly impossible goal of rolling back modernity, and have shown itself prepared to exact any price that seem necessary upon those it afflicted while in the vain pursuit of this objective, rather than either dying, or adapt itself to modernity. So either Muslims consign themselves forever to struggling feebly, and ever less effectually if more violently, against modernity, or Muslims must kill any aspects of Islam that ties Muslim societies to the desert primitivism, so those who had been Muslims can gain parity in the modern world.

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So?   Several other victims of western imperialism understood and embraced modernity.  As a result they made themselves victims no longer.  In fact, of all the cultures of any size and scope that ran afoul of modern western imperialism, almost everyone that weren't destroyed by the initial collision have managed to embrace modernity within 50-150 years or so and raised themselves to parity or near parity with the west in modernity,  all but those blighted by Islam.

It is a necessary attribute for a culture to adapt that which is practically better.  it say it is the crime of the west to pick on Islamic world is utterly irrelevant.  To be weak and unable to become strong may be no crime, but it is a sure predictor of being picked on.   To harp on those who pick on the weak while not address what kept the weak weak is about as useful as claiming gravity committed a crime by pulling a man who failed secure himself to his death, therefore men ought not to be blamed for not securing themselves.

Practically, Islam has been unable to surmount itself to become modern.  Therefore it must either prevent the world from becoming modern, or it would become victim of one or another that does.  

Islam's crime is doubled down on the utterly repulsive as well as utterly impossible goal of rolling back modernity, and have shown itself prepared to exact any price that seem necessary upon those it afflicted while in the vain pursuit of this objective, rather than either dying, or adapt itself to modernity.  So either Muslims consign themselves forever to struggling feebly, and ever less effectually if more violently, against modernity, or Muslims must kill any aspects of Islam that ties Muslim societies to the desert primitivism, so those who had been Muslims can gain parity in the modern world.

Literally, you are saying : "it's either our way or the highway". You make me sick.


Wake up; the western way turned the world into a crowded-armed to the teeth-atomic fortresses, awaiting a spark to ignite their misery into a big mushroom cloud. 
A world connected by a fragile and corrupted economy that is waiting to fall down any minute. I thought 2008 was an enough reminder, of what western imperialism did to the world ?

Those who "adapted" or let me say "mutated" will fall down with the rotten economy.

Now, an Islamic system based on "GOLD" instead of paper money and "moneylending with interest" would've savored the world this dark grim state.


Stuff changed a lot between 2000 and 2015. To the worst. Ask economists if you don't believe me.

The west, cornered itself and wired the whole world with it in a sealed room, with ton-load of bombs, with the sealing of the room leaking gas. That's the "legacy" of the west if you ask me.