The role of Islam in the current conflicts

[God of Mr. Hanky]

God of Mr. Hanky

And you think a world without religion is safer ? hence : the peace today is achieved by nothing but the power of the atom

You blame religion; I blame humans. A sample of killers & criminals taken worldwide, would prove to you that no matter what the religion is, what the color is, violence will be present. Concluding it in religion doesn't solve anything, really.

Me too, Douchewitz - I blame humans who invented their god-bombs! They are the ultimate motivation for any people to ignore their empathetic nature and kill others!

If you think your god is the only thing that holds back violence, then you are a blind idiot. At best it isn't the only reason why people do kill each other! It's the prime mover of all wars, both foreign and domestic, against all who differ from its followers and will not smile for their photo-opp-generating charity / street sermons. Ok, the prime mover is really greed, but who's Greed's ever-loving, ever-pleasing, and always useful bitch? Greed so loves your god that churches are the wealthiest landlords on this earth! As Michael Corleone learned in the movie, the original Godfather sits not in Sicily but in the Vatican, and most who follow Protestant sects contribute to powerful, tax-exempt organizations as well. Islam's relation to greed is no different, and would not exist today without the greedy who will lead others into doing anything, no matter how atrocious, when they can profit from it. War violence is always organized by those who say they are leading a fundamentally better people on account of religious or ideological differences, and because you are one of those said better people, you will support their hugely profitable, and tax-exempt fundraising.

[abaris]

War violence is always organized by those who believe they are leading a fundamentally better people on account of religious or ideological differences - or, as is most often the truth, by those who would have their followers think so.

Which wasn't always about religion. And which, presently is only religious on the surface. Not scratching the surface for the underlying political reasons is the best recipe for failure.

Religion is just one tool to motivate the masses to throw their lives away. It's not the only one, not by a long stretch.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

War violence is always organized by those who believe they are leading a fundamentally better people on account of religious or ideological differences - or, as is most often the truth, by those who would have their followers think so.

Which wasn't always about religion. And which, presently is only religious on the surface. Not scratching the surface for the underlying political reasons is the best recipe for failure.

Religion is just one tool to motivate the masses to throw their lives away. It's not the only one, not by a long stretch.

I edited that last clause after thinking about it, and before I saw this. Essentially, what I was trying to say is the same, except the point is that religion is the invention of the greedy, for use by the greedy, and which invariably gains its power through the motivation of the greedy. It was nothing if not profitable for he who built the first pile of stones, and then managed to convince others that it had chosen him to deliver its message.

[WinterHold]

I know Shawerma as Donner meat since that's what the people who cook kebabs for me call it. I think they might be Sufi because I'm pretty sure people as nice as them wouldn't attend the Salafi Mosque near me, let's be honest (where I live there are two Mosques). Modern Salafis have Fascist tendencies.

Saudi offered to build Mosques for the refugees in Europe which I find hilarious. Fortunately Germany said "NO WAY!" and I know that Austria had laws banning foreign funding of places of worship. These people are a joke, a very dangerous joke. If there was a Saudi embassy near me I'd give them a Nazi flag or two because the love genocide too,especially of Shia and Kurds. I don't want to stoop to their level and silence opinions I disagree with.

Turkish in its essence, but what Arabs added to that mix is the garlic (to dip the Shawerma sandwich or fench fries in), I was told that people on the borders of Syria/Turkey are the ones responsible for making the garlic dip; or so did a Syrian friend who tried to "takeover the glory of making the garlic dip".

IDK, but I feel that Salafies would be more suitable for Saudi meals that take nothing but a pile of rice & chicken.

The German government did a good move. The Saudi mosques are used mainly to preach the Saud family indirectly. When I used to attend Friday prayers in Saudi mosques, the "Imam" would always finish up the speech by asking God to "guide the king & bless him", usually those speeches also ended with cursing other people who don't agree with the Saud's religion.

Germany did the right thing. 

God of Mr.Hanky

Doesn't make any sense, for a greedy person, to write upon him/herself the duty of sacrificing one's own luxuries & fortune to the poor & needy. Let's be honest : Islam is full of the previous.

There's a big difference between what people say and do, and what the religion says and asks you to do.

[abaris]

The German government did a good move. The Saudi mosques are used mainly to preach the Saud family indirectly. When I used to attend Friday prayers in Saudi mosques, the "Imam" would always finish up the speech by asking God to "guide the king & bless him", usually those speeches also ended with cursing other people who don't agree with the Saud's religion.

That's why I keep saying that most Sunnis probably wouldn't want to be associated with Wahhabism. In Austria there's also a debate about closing down the king Abdullah center in the wake of the 47 executions on one single day. I hope they do it. It's high time we did something about buttkissing the Saudis.

[WinterHold]

The German government did a good move. The Saudi mosques are used mainly to preach the Saud family indirectly. When I used to attend Friday prayers in Saudi mosques, the "Imam" would always finish up the speech by asking God to "guide the king & bless him", usually those speeches also ended with cursing other people who don't agree with the Saud's religion.

That's why I keep saying that most Sunnis probably wouldn't want to be associated with Wahhabism. In Austria there's also a debate about closing down the king Abdullah center in the wake of the 47 executions on one single day. I hope they do it. It's high time we did something about buttkissing the Saudis.

They have a lot of cash. Kisses will never cease until their cash runs out. 
Above all, Britain seems to like them a lot :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Darin

The Treaty made the lands of the House of Saud a British protectorate and attempted to define its boundaries.[3]

[The Grand Nudger]

Getting a local potentate to sign a predatory border agreement preventing his raiders from operating in their adjacent territories is how they showed their affection?  There are probably better examples.

[ReptilianPeon]

Turkish in its essence, but what Arabs added to that mix is the garlic (to dip the Shawerma sandwich or fench fries in), I was told that people on the borders of Syria/Turkey are the ones responsible for making the garlic dip; or so did a Syrian friend who tried to "takeover the glory of making the garlic dip".

IDK, but I feel that Salafies would be more suitable for Saudi meals that take nothing but a pile of rice & chicken.

The German government did a good move. The Saudi mosques are used mainly to preach the Saud family indirectly. When I used to attend Friday prayers in Saudi mosques, the "Imam" would always finish up the speech by asking God to "guide the king & bless him", usually those speeches also ended with cursing other people who don't agree with the Saud's religion.

Saudi cuisine sounds terrible. If I wanted a pile of rice and chicken I'd make it myself. Wondering just how they grow chickens in the Saudi wasteland. I don't eat Shawerma with garlic.

Salafis aren't just Saudi I would say. There are lots of crazies in/from Pakistan for example. I often think that Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy is the only sane person left in Pakistan since Malala Yousafzai left for England and Abdus Salam and Mahbub ul Haq are dead (probably one or two others I missed of the list). I would say the Salafis who refer to themselves as Wahabbi are concentrated in Saudi and Qatar since the lies of Abdul Wahaab are the official religion of those countries (Saudi and Qatar) and that Salafis are simply Wahaabis who don't want to admit to an adoration of Abdul Wahaab.

Afghanistan is worse and I personally think Abdul Ahad Mohmand (he read the Quran in space, if you're wondering) was the last sane person ever to live in Afganistan, and first since Malalai of Maiwand. I suppose the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan may have had some reasonable people in it but Afghanistan is very barren intellectually, even compared to Pakistan.

[yukapuka]

It really is extremely biased to ignore absolutely everything and make such a ignorant statement

firstly by "role of Islam...." in current conflict i am sure you mean Arab countries that America is in war with and has declared war upon, or has been involved with on a war level

To be fair here, lets step back for a moment with this obsession with religion and blaming everything on it and lets answer this question based on human psychology

If some foreign person comes to your country, regardless of your religion and traditions and cultures, destroys your home, kills your family members, destroys your way of life and freedoms, and then later says "sorry you were collateral damage , we were actually going after the bad guy we had installed earlier that went all wrong and crazy... awry.."

what do you expect from the people? do you expect them to turn the other cheek for the millionth time and just forget the whole thing happened and pick up the scraps of their life(what is left of it) and now try to survive in even more difficult conditions with even more pressure and burden on their lives(now they have dead family members, no ability to get a job as the society they knew the infrastructure was destroyed , homes destroyed ..etc) and you think they will simply just get on with the lives and praise America for destroying their any motive to live any further ?

Or do you think that they might feel a little angry , have no reason to live, be absolutely miserable and angry, feel they want revenge...

Take a wild guess which one they went with?

Secondly now somebody pops up out of the rubble, he is as angry as you, he has lost his family also, and he begins to preach hate against America and the west, he starts (mis)quoting verses of the Quran and questionable Hadith, he inspires you to do what he wants to do, to get revenge, because well you have no reason to live anyway, everything you knew was destroyed and all you got for it was a sorry and your country left in rubble and hell

They might have even taken your resources, taken your lands oil and other resources and are now sending it back to their land

Geez i wonder how they feel? slightly irritated? no?

To the OP, if your going to look at this fairly, why dont you look at how many countries Muslims invaded without any provocation? Who started all the problems?

To say "i dont know why they are so angry at us, why they hate us so much.....it must be their religion that's causing these ill feelings etc" is just absolutely ignorant and unfair and obnoxious

If your going to be rational then be completely rational and not apply one side of rationally to one side, and another side of irrationality to the other side

[The Grand Nudger]

OFC it's the Great Satan's fault.  Thanks for clearing that up ayatollah. I no longer wonder why muslims are murdering muslims.