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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 3:48 pm
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(January 7, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: (January 6, 2016 at 3:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You drank the koolaid because it is comforting to your beliefs. It's just a belief. Throwing around words like 'truth' just shows how desperate you are for validation. I watched the video and for my money, Rohl's and Mahoney's evidence on many points was little more than far-fetched speculation, draped over a few small points of data. It's an interesting argument, but not nearly strong enough as to justify invalidating sound archaeological chronology. And that's the bottom line. You believe a weak argument because it provides you comfort. That is not the grounds for 'truth'.
In your mind's eye what are some examples of "far fetched speculation" and what were the small data points?
Things like speculating that an imbalance in the numbers of males and females points to a slaughter of the first-born males sometime earlier. It doesn't; male births have a higher mortality rate than female births.
Quote:Since the beginning of the age of the Enlightenment and over the course of modernization, the mortality of children below 5 years of age has declined rapidly. Child mortality in rich countries today is much lower than 1%. This is a very recent development and was only reached after a hundredfold decline in child mortality in these countries. In early-modern times, child mortality was very high; in 18th century Sweden every third child died, and in 19th century Germany every second child died. With declining poverty and increasing knowledge and service in the health sector, child mortality around the world is declining very rapidly.
http://ourworldindata.org/data/populatio...mortality/
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 3:49 pm
(January 7, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 10:20 am)Drich Wrote: Again No! Closing the gap on the 2nd egyptian dark age from 400 to 100 years (a time where nothing was recorded/is lost historically so we can't possibly know exactly how long this age lasted) Does NOT affect the time of ramses and the third kingdom.
WHAT THE MOVIE YOU OLD GOAT! You sound like a moron and don't even know it! You keep bring up the same points and are either ignoring what I/the movie says or are too thick to understand the time shift the movie talks about happens before the third dynasty which is when Ramses lived!
When you make statements like this, Drich, it makes you sound like the one who didn't watch the movie. Yes the time shift does affect things in the final period, and that was explicitly stated in the film; they spent 5-10 minutes talking about it.
I think by that point drippy's eyes had glazed over with heavenly fervor as he jerked off to his bible thinking it was all true again.
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 3:54 pm
(January 7, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 10:20 am)Drich Wrote: Again No! Closing the gap on the 2nd egyptian dark age from 400 to 100 years (a time where nothing was recorded/is lost historically so we can't possibly know exactly how long this age lasted) Does NOT affect the time of ramses and the third kingdom.
WHAT THE MOVIE YOU OLD GOAT! You sound like a moron and don't even know it! You keep bring up the same points and are either ignoring what I/the movie says or are too thick to understand the time shift the movie talks about happens before the third dynasty which is when Ramses lived!
When you make statements like this, Drich, it makes you sound like the one who didn't watch the movie. Yes the time shift does affect things in the final period, and that was explicitly stated in the film; they spent 5-10 minutes talking about it.
I've watched it 3 times, in my notes taken stright from the movie i write: 'a time shift between the middle kingdom and the New kingdom only affects the middle Kingdom. it moves it forward 300 years. the time period of the New Kingdom (the time of Ramses) does not change.' That is what is explained in the final illustration/graphic when the to bar graphs are moved together when the 2nd darkage is shortened by 300 years.
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 3:58 pm
(January 7, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: I've watched it 3 times, in my notes taken stright from the movie i write: 'a time shift between the middle kingdom and the New kingdom only affects the middle Kingdom. it moves it forward 300 years. the time period of the New Kingdom (the time of Ramses) does not change.' That is what is explained in the final illustration/graphic when the to bar graphs are moved together when the 2nd darkage is shortened by 300 years.
Is this the kind of skill with written language you use when writing for film?
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 4:08 pm
(January 7, 2016 at 3:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 10:36 am)Drich Wrote: In your mind's eye what are some examples of "far fetched speculation" and what were the small data points?
Things like speculating that an imbalance in the numbers of males and females points to a slaughter of the first-born males sometime earlier. It doesn't; male births have a higher mortality rate than female births.
Male deaths at births were not the only thing being counted. it was male mortality rates between birth and like 10 years old, that were found in a mass grave. not just new borns.
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 4:08 pm
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(January 7, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 3:07 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: No, more like Sentence = Piss Poor, Unclear Writing
Take it up with stimbo his metaphore. I just ran with it.
And promptly fell over. It's not my responsibilty if you can't play the hand I dealt. Don't blame me if you have poor communication skills.
(What is it with people not nutting up to personal responsibilty round here lately? There's been, what, three in the last two days or something?)
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Dickweed acts as if we don't have any idea of what happened during the Second Intermediate Period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Int...d_of_Egypt
Quote:The Second Intermediate Period marks a period when Ancient Egypt fell into disarray for a second time, between the end of the Middle Kingdom and the start of the New Kingdom.
It is best known as the period when the Hyksos made their appearance in Egypt and whose reign comprised the Fifteenth dynasty.
We don't need your stupid fucking bible to straighten things out, drippy.
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 8:35 pm
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(January 7, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 7, 2016 at 3:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: When you make statements like this, Drich, it makes you sound like the one who didn't watch the movie. Yes the time shift does affect things in the final period, and that was explicitly stated in the film; they spent 5-10 minutes talking about it.
I've watched it 3 times, in my notes taken stright from the movie i write: 'a time shift between the middle kingdom and the New kingdom only affects the middle Kingdom. it moves it forward 300 years. the time period of the New Kingdom (the time of Ramses) does not change.' That is what is explained in the final illustration/graphic when the to bar graphs are moved together when the 2nd darkage is shortened by 300 years.
I've never known you to be reliable in comprehending what you read, why would a film be different?
Wikipedia Wrote:Implications for Egypt and her Neighbours
Redating the reign of Ramesses II to three centuries later than that given by the conventional chronology would not only reposition the date of the Battle of Kadesh and revise the linked chronology of Hittite history, it would also require a revision of the chronology of Assyrian history prior to 911 BC. Given the dependence of Hittite chronology on Egyptian chronology,[24] a lowering of Egyptian dates would result in a lowering of the end of the Hittite New Kingdom and a resulting reduction (or complete removal) of the Anatolian Dark Age.[25]
Wikipedia | New Chronology (Rohl)
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 9:11 pm
I'm sure drippy thinks that the only thing that matters is his fucking holy horseshit.
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RE: For those who want proof of the exodus
January 7, 2016 at 9:56 pm
Quote:It’s one thing to state that the historical exodus might have around two hundred years earlier (say, around 1450 B.C.), but it is quite another thing to give the reasoning as to why this was the case. This wasn’t made clear, and it certainly could have been.
Mahoney presented three dating options for consideration:
- The late date (1230 B.C.) – Israel Finkelstein, James K. Hoffmeier
- The early date (1446 B.C.) – Bryant Wood, Charles Ailing
- The New Revised Egyptian Chronology – David Rohl
The documentary did a good job of explaining the different views and opinions that scholars have on the biblical Exodus. But, as I’ve pointed out earlier it was unclear if any clear and defninitive answer was arrived at for when the Exodus actually occurred.
CrossExamined.org | A Review of Patterns of Evidence: Exodus
Oh look, once again Drich is wrong!
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