two scientific miracles puzzled me?

[Whateverist]

I'm just struck by how vague, flowery statements get translated to have specific meanings not obvious from the original wording.


What you really have are some wordings in the Koran which are sufficiently vague enough to allow you to read them as saying something true which the original authors should not have know in their time.  How to explain it?  Simple, the analysis of the text has changed, not the intention of the author.

[robvalue]

Hi there

Even if someone knew something amazing, that doesn't demonstrate where they got the information from. The truth of one of their statements doesn't automatically make any further statements true. They must also demonstrate that they really did get the information the way they said.

The word "miracle" seems pretty meaningless to me. If an event is unexplained, then it is unexplained. That doesn't mean that anyone can insert their own explanation and claim it is true without evidence. That is called the argument from ignorance: claiming an explanation is true because no other explanation has yet been found. It's obviously flawed, because the argument "works" for any made-up magical explanation for the unexplained event. Religion thrives on gap filling knowledge with unfalsifiable statements.

[truth search]

thank you everyone for your comments,
I'm not a muslim, not a christian and not atheist, i am a researcher for the truth.
In fact, i found that there are many scientific mistakes in the quran, and the alleged scientific miracles in the quran are two types:
First, they are the result of an abusive interpretation of the quran (sometimes, a scientific mistake become a miracle with an abusive interpretation, for example, the commentators of the quran until 19th century said that the sun revolves around the earth, ibn baaz (in the second half of the 20th century) insisted that the sun revolves around the earth, and the earth is fixed, but, in our days, some muslims said that the quran says that the earth revolves around the sun, and that is scientific miracle of quran!!)
Second, there are some true scientific facts in the quran, but they are discovered before the quran, for example, some muslims says that the quran says that the earth is round, and that is a miracle! maybe the first half of their claim is true, but the second is surely false, because greeks knew that that the earth is round before 1000 years of mohamed (pythagoras).
i said, may be the scientifics and philosophes of greeks, romans, chinese, indians or any nations talked about the role of wind in raising clouds or about the quantity of rainfall each year before mohamed?
thank you.

[Aractus]

the second, mohamed said that: 
"rainfall in one year is no less (in amount) than that falling in another year, it is only allah distributes the rain"

The first part of that quote is correct, but the second part is not - rainfall is distributed by the chaotic weather system, not by God.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Zombies are real. There are documentaries about them on the tv all of the time. I see some in the back yard right now.

[robvalue]

I'm glad to hear you are searching for the truth

I believe the whole truth will forever be outside our grasp, and it's the discomfort this brings that often motivates people to accept religious answers rather than just say "We don't know yet. We may find out, we may not."

You certainly don't find out anything by making stuff up.

If people in the past knew things, then obviously they found them out somehow. Finding out how they knew may not be possible, it depends how much evidence we have that we can consider. But they had brains, eyes and ears, and a lot of time to experience things. It's fairly reasonable to assume that they came to conclusions much the same way as we do now.

[Alex K]

Can the quran tell me whether the photon excess at the LHC is due to a new heavy particle and which kind? That would be real useful right about now.

[ReptilianPeon]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

'Scientific miracle' is an oxymoron.

Boru

[truth search]