Why i choose science reason and atheism over religion

[athrock]

For me, it's more that I was never exposed to any of this stuff during my formative years. I was encouraged to read from a very early age (my parents taught me to read - and spell, sorry - way before I started school) and I digested masses of information voraciously; one might even say rapaciously. That plus my father encouraging my interest in the night sky meant that I saw the Universe and never the heavens. By the time I read up on how the bible was put together (hint: it wasn't dictated by any god) plus the political rise of religion during tha Dark Age and backed into the forum world via da Vinci (long story), the immunisation was long complete.

Put another way:

I was never taken in by the con trick back when I was alive. I'll be buggered sideways with a rusty chainsaw before I fall for it now.

You appear to have much in common with the Hitchens brothers. They were raised in a non-religious home, and, like you, both were committed atheists well into adulthood.

Yet, while Christopher remained an atheist until his death, Peter became a believer. So, it does happen that adults who were never indoctrinated into belief in God during childhood occasionally come to that position by way of their own mature reasoning.


One other minor point: People who accept the Bible as the "word of God" don't hold that it was dictated by God. It was inspired by God, but the people who wrote it were true authors. The Qur'an, on the other hand, is considered to have been dictated by God to Mohammed word for word.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I don't choose atheism, but I do choose not to have anything to do with religion and to use the scientific method to learn things.

That is a subjective personal choice, not the ultimately rational one you imagine.

[Edwardo Piet]

It is the rational choice though, whilst religion is the irrational one.

[athrock]

For starters i lack the reasoning to believe in a god and anything in the bible. I can strongly reason with something like science 
which is based on fact. Religion if it's wrong there are processes it goes through to change to get the right answer. What is this
process you may ask it's called the scientific method. The method in which we test gather data and get our evidence but
the great part of that we should always get the same answer each time until it is a scientific theory. You have something like
the bible it is not based in any sort of reality what so ever and the god of the bible clearly acts like he is human, because well
he was written up by humans. Before i got off on a tangent i will say this think of all the times during our nations tragedies
or even better yet any point in time. I say this because the incident in kitrina a few years back was god there no, sandy hook
was god there to protect the children no, was god there when a guy shot up a movie theater no, was god there when 9/11 happened
no. It should be more clear if i had to point it out like that your god you believe in sure as hell doesn't care about us or you know
doesn't exist. That being said i highly doubt a god exists even on some degree even if it doesn't give a fuck about us should you know 
now and then be like hey are you guys okay.

What if...

Your idea of God was wrong???

What if Death was not the ultimate bad thing/end that could happen to us? Then would God be responsible to save us from it?

To put it another way Imagine a world where THE WORST thing that could happen to some one was they got a cut requiring no more than 15 stitches and a singular broken bone. Now put in place man's ever sliding sense of morality/idea of right and wrong onto this paradigm then we would treat getting a 15 stitch cut and a singular broken bone as bad as death.. Imagine In that reality the D-bags who question the existence of God because of all the broken bones and all of the cuts requiring no more than 15 stitches... To the D-bags of that realm who question God because they experience the worst of the worst a broken bone AND a cut requiring no more than 15 stitches feel like 'God' should have protected them like those who have never been cut or experienced the pain of a broken bone.

I picked a broken bone and a singular cut requiring no more than 15 stitches because for me when I was like 8 that was the worst thing that had ever happened to me. when I was a child I could understand greater things but i could not fathom their complete meaning because they did not happen to me.

The same is true with you and death. You are like an 8 year old who can not fathom anything worse than death. so when you see people's lives getting cut what to you seems short to you, SEEMS to be the ultimate wrong. When infact your mind set is of an 8 year old who thinks cuts and broken bones are the end of the world.

Let just say for the moment the bible is right. And Death is not our end, but our birth into eternity. Now If the end of this life means the start of an eternal one.. One that God looks forward living with you and if all is well you look forward living with Him, then Why or why is it then a bad thing to end this life a few moments short of everyone else? again look from an eternal perspective.

It is only when this life is all you got does one tend to feel slighted when it is cut years short.

Again, so maybe Your idea of God and His responsibility to is here in this life is all wrong, and what the bible has to say is right! That being the case your whole argument is completely meaningless. (If God owes us no order of protection from an early death then all of your examples of early death to prove God does not exist are pointless.)

Infinity + 2 years on Earth = Infinity
Infinity + 82 years on Earth = Infinity

So, God is focused on how we spend eternity, but most people are stressing over the x years here. (and whether it is unfair that a child dies at 2 instead of 82)

Is that what you're saying?

[Drich]

What if...

Your idea of God was wrong???

What if Death was not the ultimate bad thing/end that could happen to us? Then would God be responsible to save us from it?

To put it another way Imagine a world where THE WORST thing that could happen to some one was they got a cut requiring no more than 15 stitches and a singular broken bone. Now put in place man's ever sliding sense of morality/idea of right and wrong onto this paradigm then we would treat getting a 15 stitch cut and a singular broken bone as bad as death.. Imagine In that reality the D-bags who question the existence of God because of all the broken bones and all of the cuts requiring no more than 15 stitches... To the D-bags of that realm who question God because they experience the worst of the worst a broken bone AND a cut requiring no more than 15 stitches feel like 'God' should have protected them like those who have never been cut or experienced the pain of a broken bone.

I picked a broken bone and a singular cut requiring no more than 15 stitches because for me when I was like 8 that was the worst thing that had ever happened to me. when I was a child I could understand greater things but i could not fathom their complete meaning because they did not happen to me.

The same is true with you and death. You are like an 8 year old who can not fathom anything worse than death. so when you see people's lives getting cut what to you seems short to you, SEEMS to be the ultimate wrong. When infact your mind set is of an 8 year old who thinks cuts and broken bones are the end of the world.

Let just say for the moment the bible is right. And Death is not our end, but our birth into eternity. Now If the end of this life means the start of an eternal one.. One that God looks forward living with you and if all is well you look forward living with Him, then Why or why is it then a bad thing to end this life a few moments short of everyone else? again look from an eternal perspective.

It is only when this life is all you got does one tend to feel slighted when it is cut years short.

Again, so maybe Your idea of God and His responsibility to is here in this life is all wrong, and what the bible has to say is right! That being the case your whole argument is completely meaningless. (If God owes us no order of protection from an early death then all of your examples of early death to prove God does not exist are pointless.)

Infinity + 2 years on Earth = Infinity
Infinity + 82 years on Earth = Infinity

So, God is focused on how we spend eternity, but most people are stressing over the x years here. (and whether it is unfair that a child dies at 2 instead of 82)

Is that what you're saying?

The point of this life is to make a choice about where you want to spend the next. The bible identifies that age as the age of accountability. for some it is earlier than others but i would think it is safe to say that no two year old is accountable for his 'sin.' The book of Romans tells us we only sin if we know what it is we are doing. I would therefore think if a soul that has not reached the physical age of accountablity dies then it simply gets plugged back in to another body.

Once we make out choice we move on to eternal life, or death in Hell.

[dyresand]

Infinity + 2 years on Earth = Infinity
Infinity + 82 years on Earth = Infinity

So, God is focused on how we spend eternity, but most people are stressing over the x years here. (and whether it is unfair that a child dies at 2 instead of 82)

Is that what you're saying?

The point of this life is to make a choice about where you want to spend the next. The bible identifies that age as the age of accountability. for some it is earlier than others but i would think it is safe to say that no two year old is accountable for his 'sin.' The book of Romans tells us we only sin if we know what it is we are doing. I would therefore think if a soul that has not reached the physical age of accountablity dies then it simply gets plugged back in to another body.

Once we make out choice we move on to eternal life, or death in Hell.

There is no proof  of heaven not to mention most people who talk about heaven let's see...
the kid who claimed to go to heaven and had a movie and book based on his experiences. 
And what happened years later it was all a lie ironically i was in the book store and this older
woman was trying to return the book because the kid lied about heaven. Even more ironic
i live in a bible belt state.

[athrock]

The point of this life is to make a choice about where you want to spend the next. The bible identifies that age as the age of accountability. for some it is earlier than others but i would think it is safe to say that no two year old is accountable for his 'sin.' The book of Romans tells us we only sin if we know what it is we are doing. I would therefore think if a soul that has not reached the physical age of accountablity dies then it simply gets plugged back in to another body.

Once we make out choice we move on to eternal life, or death in Hell.

There is no proof  of heaven not to mention most people who talk about heaven let's see...
the kid who claimed to go to heaven and had a movie and book based on his experiences. 
And what happened years later it was all a lie ironically i was in the book store and this older
woman was trying to return the book because the kid lied about heaven. Even more ironic
i live in a bible belt state.

I read about that. Technically, the kid lied about having gone to heaven for a short time during a near-death experience. But other authors have had similar experiences, and they have not recanted their stories.

However, logic still requires that you ask: Just because ONE kid admitted to lying about this, does that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL have lied?

Of course not.

If one scientist fudges his or her data in order to announce an important breakthrough, win or extend a government grant or achieve fame, would we automatically distrust ALL scientists?

[The Grand Nudger]

None one needs to prove that christers who claim to have gone to heaven are lying.  Not -anyone's- job, not anyone's responsibility.  If you want your audience to think that some christers actually have gone to heaven, then it is your job to convince your audience that this is so. This "prove it wrong" business is nonsense.

L2Logic.

[dyresand]

There is no proof  of heaven not to mention most people who talk about heaven let's see...
the kid who claimed to go to heaven and had a movie and book based on his experiences. 
And what happened years later it was all a lie ironically i was in the book store and this older
woman was trying to return the book because the kid lied about heaven. Even more ironic
i live in a bible belt state.

I read about that. Technically, the kid lied about having gone to heaven for a short time during a near-death experience. But other authors have had similar experiences, and they have not recanted their stories.

However, logic still requires that you ask: Just because ONE kid admitted to lying about this, does that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL have lied?

Of course not.

If one scientist fudges his or her data in order to announce an important breakthrough, win or extend a government grant or achieve fame, would we automatically distrust ALL scientists?

No one has credible evidence of going to heaven or meeting god or anything. I'm not throwing anything out the window
just saying that the chances of heaven/god existing is simply close to null at best. A god like figure or any plane of existence
outside of our own is just highly unlikely. The only way to prove such a plane of existence exists you would have to under medical
advisers and doctors flat line someone and bring them back or you have the technology to test if such a place existed. But even through 
all of that no one proof of the paranormal.