How would the contradictions be included? It would just make the eventt unreal.
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The Bible, what's literal and what's not?
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superstarr
Junior Member  Religious Views: None. Why? Well why not? Andbecause religions make people become mindless zombies 
superstarr, what makes you believe that Matthew 17:19-20 and John 14:8-10 are positive verses. You are correct in saying they are literal.
Matthew 6:19-24 are teaching verses and are of a positive nature they are also literal. Matthew 18:7-9 are also teaching verses but are not literal and yet are positive in nature.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
And you know the difference.................how?
(July 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And you know the difference.................how? Min I study the scriptures and I learn from others who have a greater understanding of scripture. I guess you did not notice that I included more verses than superstarr had listed. One needs to understand the whole context to better understand the verse within the subject.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (July 3, 2010 at 10:58 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 3, 2010 at 10:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And you know the difference.................how? Do you always speak gibberish when you argue? What does the inclusion of more verses than superstarr have to do with the validity of your argument? Anyone can copy and paste verses of the bible and not understand them. Shit, I don't understand a single verse of the bible. Anyway, how do you decide which verses to take literally and which to interpret however you see fit? (July 3, 2010 at 11:02 pm)Shell B Wrote: Do you always speak gibberish when you argue? What does the inclusion of more verses than superstarr have to do with the validity of your argument? Anyone can copy and paste verses of the bible and not understand them. Shit, I don't understand a single verse of the bible. Anyway, how do you decide which verses to take literally and which to interpret however you see fit? I'm not sure what you are calling gibberish Shell B. The verses I included are part of the subject at hand. When one pulls out one or two verses to try and make a point that can be cherry picking you need to know what the subject is so that you can know the truth of a verse within that subject. Let's take Matthew 18:7-9 this should be easy enough to see it is a teaching verse that is not literal. First, why would Jesus tell a person to cut off a hand or foot during His day when He knew as everyone did in those days that the survival rate from an amputation was very slim at best. Second, why would Jesus tell a person to pluck out one eye when both eyes are seeing the same thing so both eyes would be guilty so to speak, this would leave the verse confusing if it were meant literally. Now verse 7 gives us the subject at hand (no pun intended). Temptation and its reality in a persons life is the subject. Jesus is explaining to the people that the things that tempt them should be left alone, do not get physically involved with them because they can lead to nothing good.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
My point was that the fact that you include more verses does not mean that you understand them better.
As for your reply, if a verse doesn't make sense to you, you interpret it as you see fit? Is that correct? (July 4, 2010 at 12:02 am)Shell B Wrote: My point was that the fact that you include more verses does not mean that you understand them better. Shell B to answer your questions NO! and NO! Shell B if I was given one or two pieces of a picture puzzle I would have no idea what the picture was but given all the pieces and arranging them in correct order I can see what the picture is. Each piece helps me to know what the entire picture is.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: The Bible, what's literal and what's not?
July 4, 2010 at 12:45 am
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2010 at 12:51 am by Shell B.)
Copy and pasting more verses does not mean that you understand them more than someone who copies less. It's quite simple, really.
Okay, so if you don't just interpret the things you don't understand however you wish, then how do you decide which ones are literal and which ones aren't? (again)  (July 4, 2010 at 12:45 am)Shell B Wrote: Copy and pasting more verses does not mean that you understand them more than someone who copies less. It's quite simple, really. Prepare for the endless frustration... I wish you luck.
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