Something to shake the very foundation of your lack of faith

[yukapuka]

[SteelCurtain]

[robvalue]

If an account can be proof of itself, you can prove anything is true just by saying it.

Consider why you don't instantly believe that what happens in fictional stories actually occured in real life. If all you can is, "It's fiction" then we can just as easily say the same about holy books. Otherwise, you have to show what the difference is. Fiction can include any number of actual historical events, with varying degrees of accuracy.

[yukapuka]

[yukapuka]

here is something relevant to this discussion

the physical universe makes up only 0.2% is stars and solar systems of the universe

74% is dark energy and 24% is dark matter

and what is dark matter and dark energy?

what is anti matter?(opposite to physical perceptible matter)

lets get quantum over here

how do we know it exists?

because people CLAIM it exists , and why and how do they claim it? and why do we believe it?

why do people accept this but you wont accept the other observable and tangent evidence of a testimony ?

[robvalue]

No one is basing life decisions on dark matter, or trying to convert people into dark matter cults, or killing people over not believing in it, even if this wasn't a faulty analogy.

[SteelCurtain]

Nope. I'm not going to play that game. That's not how a discussion works. I have not made any of those claims, and I'm not interested in a juvenile battle of wits.

Let's stick to the claims that you have made. You claim that this man died for three days, was in multi-system organ failure, brain dead, for 72 hours, and made a full (or at least mostly full) recovery.

It should be trivially easy to find the peer reviewed article describing this phenomenal occurrence. His doctors would have been scratching each others' throats just to get top billing on the article. So, let's have it.

[SteelCurtain]

PS - A trained physicist would have more than a third grader's grasp on basic grammar and spelling.

[yukapuka]

well unfortunately there is bias, thats the point

but when it comes to evidence, there is such as thing as CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence

that is in FACT how we believe in dark matter and dark energy

we have calculated that there isnt enough PHYSICAL matter to cause the energy required for the universe to behave the way it behaves and causes and effects from such things as universal gravitational constant

or attractive forces between physical bodies

the physical part of the universe is NOT ENOUGH to make the universe not only continue to expand and turn and mechanically revovle etc

but to sustain itself

so we go by opposites

we say that X amount of energy is needed

however since this is not observable and perceptible through physical matter

we say it is called DARK energy and DARK matter i.e imperceptible

it could be God directly for all we know or it could be something that is still a medium between God and the physical matter

point is we believe in it CIRCUMSTANTIALLY

same way we take testimony and believe in it CIRCUMSTANTIALLY

when thousands of people report such things and even bear such signs as the guy that looks like scar face, then it becomes VERY probable and VERY plausible

[yukapuka]

PS - A trained physicist would have more than a third grader's grasp on basic grammar and spelling.

my engineering professor said once "we do not care about punctuation and grammar we are not linguists we are engineers"

and its true, because in the end you completely understand what i said

there is NOTHING ambiguous about what i am saying, nobody is questioning me on that

science is like this "if there is footsteps there must have been a person"

its deductive and inductive , but we didn't observe a person, and the footsteps couldn't have made themselves, so hence we believe in it