Should Gender Stereotypes be challenged?

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Cats should not be allowed to roam outside. No territories or females to fight over. They're a threat to bird population.

My cat goes outside, brought me back some birds once. Pretty nice of him.

[Losty]

Cats should not be allowed to roam outside. No territories or females to fight over. They're a threat to bird population.

This could be why you didn't notice a different in male/female aggression if your cats weren't allowed to roam or have huge territory and were neutered.

Kind of implies my point though huh. Human beings don't roam outside like wild animals establishing territories either. We've been living in a civilized manner for so long. You can't honestly tell me you think all men are more aggressive and all women are more nurturing. You'll notice it varies among genders because people develope their own personalities and we are ruled be so much more than just hormones.

[paulpablo]

This could be why you didn't notice a different in male/female aggression if your cats weren't allowed to roam or have huge territory and were neutered.

Kind of implies my point though huh. Human beings don't roam outside like wild animals establishing territories either. We've been living in a civilized manner for so long. You can't honestly tell me you think all men are more aggressive and all women are more nurturing. You'll notice it varies among genders because people develope their own personalities and we are ruled be so much more than just hormones.

I didn't make any points about humans but if your point is that humans don't roam and establish territories because we've been living in a civilized manner I'd have to disagree due to the amount of war and territorial disputes in the world, from school yards, bar brawls, gang warfare to armed conflicts.

No I don't think all men are more aggressive and all women are more nurturing.

My original point was that I think male cats are more aggressive, I can't prove that scientifically because I don't even know how you'd measure aggression scientifically.  And it's unclear how you would establish what one unit of aggression would be.  A woman might hit her child 4 times every week with light spanking or a man might punch a man to death once in his lifetime.  I don't know who the most aggressive is, I don't know which the most significant is. Taking this into consideration it may be wrong to say male cats are generally more aggressive if you take into consideration a look might be considered to be aggressive and there's all kinds of little actions that may not be significant, they may be difficult to measure but they may still be considered to be acts of aggression.

All I know is that with cats the male cats do to a significant degree, display stereotypical aggressive male behaviour, marking out large pieces of territory, beating the shit out of each other, roaming for females, significant fights resulting in them both walking away limping, walking round with ripped up ears and scars.  Yeh if you don't allow them to go out and take their balls off they won't be as aggressive but they will still take up more territory than a female cat, generally.

I haven't really been keeping up with the thread so I have no clue what cats have to do with gender stereotypes but I have cats and have had many years experience dealing with all kinds of cats for years and what I've been talking about is what I've observed.

[Losty]

In that case I just want to know why this thread is now about cats....I don't feel any need to challenge cat gender stereotypes...

[Catholic_Lady]

People can be however they wanna be. If a woman wants to work while the man stays home to care for the baby, that should be completely fine and acceptable. However, just because people should be allowed to do what they want, doesn't take away the fact that yes, most often the woman will stay home while the man works. Most often, women are smaller and softer while men are taller and stronger. Most often, women will be preschool teachers, and men will be pilots.

This is because, while there are exceptions and those exceptions are totally fine, men and women *are* different. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging this fact. There's no reason to try to change it or to try to pass off like we're homogeneous.

...And so I voted NO.

Now, let the outrage begin lol.

[Losty]

[drfuzzy]

        LOL CL!

[paulpablo]

People can be however they wanna be. If a woman wants to work while the man stays home to care for the baby, that should be completely fine and acceptable. However, just because people should be allowed to do what they want, doesn't take away the fact that yes, most often the woman will stay home while the man works. Most often, women are smaller and softer while men are taller and stronger. Most often, women will be preschool teachers, and men will be pilots.

This is because, while there are exceptions and those exceptions are totally fine, men and women *are* different. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging this fact. There's no reason to try to change it or to try to pass off like we're homogeneous.  

...And so I voted NO.    

Now, let the outrage begin lol.

No outrage but I think you're basically disagreeing with yourself.  In the first sentence your saying if a woman wants to work while the guy stays at home then that's fine, so therefore they are challenging gender stereotypes and you're saying it's fine.

I think the question is worded just a little strangely really.

It's sort of like asking should women ever be more aggressive than some men.  The answer would be yes definitely sometimes but no not all the time and it doesn't really matter what the answer is because sometimes some women will be more aggressive than some men whether they should be or not.

An example I though of when thinking about this question is my work place, we're a bunch of security guards only 2 females and around 15 males, and pretty much the most respected guard is one girl who we all call the head guard.  She has amazing knowledge of the site, great memory, organization. All the male guards whether they're muslim, Christian, black white brown whatever, respect her.  No one's going to say well we have to remove her from the job for challenging gender stereotypes because, you know, gender stereotypes.

But yeh I am against challenging gender stereotypes just for the sake of it, I don't think a woman should try and play football to challenge gender stereotypes, she should do it because she enjoys the sport/shes good at the sport.

[Losty]

Right, people should ignore gender stereotypes and just go about living their lives however they want to.

[Edwardo Piet]