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List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
#51
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 7:53 pm)Jello Wrote: I have no want to join any religion, too. Not worth my time!

I have no problem with this, but to make the statement, even if you knew a religion was true, you would not follow it, surely is something else.
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#52
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 3:13 pm)ktrap Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 1:39 pm)robvalue Wrote: Ktrap: Atheism is not a choice. It's a state of mind. It's not about being an option. The option is whether to join religion or not. An atheist can join a religion and pretend, many have little choice.

 I thought I clearly stated my view.  I am a theist not part of any religion.
 
 Why I do need to part of a religion?

 Is this a requirement for theists?

  And regarding my point on Atheism as an option.  Leaving all religions aside, an individual who contemplates on the existence of God either believes in the existence of God or does not (or perhaps refuse to believe) the existence of God.  This is what I was referring to as the option or what you are calling state of mind.  My state of mind (as per your line of thought) is Theism.

Ktrap, before you take any bows for your doctrine free belief perhaps you could explain precisely what use you have made of the bible and why it is that god you call God.
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#53
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 3:58 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm)ktrap Wrote: I do not consider Atheism as a good option.  At best, Atheism has good arguments against dogma in religion, but beyond that there is NOTHING.  

How is this different than saying "I do not consider Theism as a good option.  At best, Theism has good arguments FOR dogma in religion, but beyond that there is NOTHING."?

I mean, you can't prove that a god absolutely exists any more than an atheist can prove that a god doesn't absolutely exist.

I just wonder what more he feels he needs from non-belief in gods? Perhaps he will elaborate on the nature of the something he so relishes. For me, nothing is fine.
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#54
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 7:30 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: May God inspire you with love of his beauty and majesty, being in awe of him at first till it turns to familiarity. May God remind you of his signs in yourself and the connecting holy names of his that have filled the foundation of all things. May God awaken you to the unseen path, the many good acts in their interior spirit, the way of connecting and ascending to him, and empower you through his name, his light, his honour, his sword, and help you subdue the uncleanness in your souls which is the source of doubt in God. May God inspire you with love of his chosen friends, desire to be with the best people of humanity who see the light as it's meant to be see and guide by the truth of their sure vision of God's signs and guidance to others. May he awaken you to take side of the truthful towards themselves and God and not hate them or their path.  May he inspire you to not follow your desires but rather open your hearts to submission to the truth of God's holy names and the guidance of the ships that sail by his name. Amen.

I don't know what kind of sense of pride or honour you get of this, or how you are deceived in some way your boldness is that of real courage.

Is god so forgetful that you must badger him like this with reminders?  

May god either convince you that he is competent or cut you free altogether.
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#55
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Beccs Wrote: 1.  Okay, if we're redefining theism to not be associated with religion, you need to define what it is (hint: a "relationship with god" doesn't count)

  I don't think I am redefining theism, I think it is you who wants to change the terminology or somehow try to force me with your view/interpretation.   In general most people would agree that if who don't practice a particular faith but still believe in a god, you probably fall into the category of being a theist.  Yes I do agree, that majority religions do also fall under that category because it has the same basic principle (plus dogma).  However, just because a religion falls in the same category that does not mean a theist must follow a particular religion.

 All I am stating that I am a theist with no association with any religion, there is no redefining.
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#56
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 9:50 pm)ktrap Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Beccs Wrote: 1.  Okay, if we're redefining theism to not be associated with religion, you need to define what it is (hint: a "relationship with god" doesn't count)

  I don't think I am redefining theism, I think it is you who wants to change the terminology or somehow try to force me with your view/interpretation.   In general most people would agree that if who don't practice a particular faith but still believe in a god, you probably fall into the category of being a theist.  Yes I do agree, that majority religions do also fall under that category because it has the same basic principle (plus dogma).  However, just because a religion falls in the same category that does not mean a theist must follow a particular religion.

 All I am stating that I am a theist with no association with any religion, there is no redefining.

theists by definition are people who believe in god(s) religion bit is just tacked on.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today. 


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#57
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 9:50 pm)ktrap Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Beccs Wrote: 1.  Okay, if we're redefining theism to not be associated with religion, you need to define what it is (hint: a "relationship with god" doesn't count)

  I don't think I am redefining theism, I think it is you who wants to change the terminology or somehow try to force me with your view/interpretation.   In general most people would agree that if who don't practice a particular faith but still believe in a god, you probably fall into the category of being a theist.  Yes I do agree, that majority religions do also fall under that category because it has the same basic principle (plus dogma).  However, just because a religion falls in the same category that does not mean a theist must follow a particular religion.

 All I am stating that I am a theist with no association with any religion, there is no redefining.


I agree. 

Theism is nothing more than a belief in at least one god.

There is no requirement within theism to follow or belong to any religion. Nor is any dogma or doctrine required.

The only thing I have to add, is that out of the great many people that claim to be theists, without belonging or following a religion, whenever I have pinned them down on describing the god that they actually believe exists, it turns out to be amazingly similar to the Christian god.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#58
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 3:58 pm)SinClueless Morgan Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 12:50 pm)ktrap Wrote: I do not consider Atheism as a good option.  At best, Atheism has good arguments against dogma in religion, but beyond that there is NOTHING.  

How is this different than saying "I do not consider Theism as a good option.  At best, Theism has good arguments FOR dogma in religion, but beyond that there is NOTHING."?

I mean, you can't prove that a god absolutely exists any more than an atheist can prove that a god doesn't absolutely exist.

    I know you trying to take my original sentence and change one word, but then it loses meaning.

  "I do not consider Theism as a good option.  At best, Theism has good arguments for dogma in religion, but beyond that there is NOTHING"

  Does not make sense, especially when an Atheist is trying to say it

  It would read better this way

  "I do not consider Theism as a good option.  At best, Theism avoids dogma unlike religion however it still believes in GOD"

 See now that sounds better from an Atheist.

  I was not sure what exercise you were trying to have me do.

  As a theist "beyond everything there is a GOD"

  Anyway, your point on the absolute existence of God
  
  I do not need to prove God absolutely exists to anyone.  I am happy with that fact that God exists.  This is not something I can extrapolate and show.   You can not use logic and reasoning, etc nor there is any need of it.  This is my personal experience.   It does not concern me to prove this to anyone.  Nor I do expect anyone to believe it.
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#59
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
(January 18, 2016 at 10:12 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 9:50 pm)ktrap Wrote:   I don't think I am redefining theism, I think it is you who wants to change the terminology or somehow try to force me with your view/interpretation.   In general most people would agree that if who don't practice a particular faith but still believe in a god, you probably fall into the category of being a theist.  Yes I do agree, that majority religions do also fall under that category because it has the same basic principle (plus dogma).  However, just because a religion falls in the same category that does not mean a theist must follow a particular religion.

 All I am stating that I am a theist with no association with any religion, there is no redefining.


I agree. 

Theism is nothing more than a belief in at least one god.

There is no requirement within theism to follow or belong to any religion. Nor is any dogma or doctrine required.

The only thing I have to add, is that out of the great many people that claim to be theists, without belonging or following a religion, whenever I have pinned them down on describing the god that they actually believe exists, it turns out to be amazingly similar to the Christian god.

 What is a Christian God?  Please elaborate what you have understood and/or come across from others.
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#60
RE: List of people who have no interest in joining a religion, ever
The ever-expanding "if it were real" list.
Werewolf: Kill it
Vampire: Kill it
Ghost: ... Kill it?
Zombie: Kill it
Godzilla: Kill it
Predator: Kill it
Xenomorph: Kill it
Jim Carrey: Kill it
Minotaur: Kill it
Chimera: Kill it
Medusa: Kill it
Yahweh: Kill it
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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