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Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
Did he say they should all be killed??

I was having a hard time understanding what he was saying exactly.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
Naik was on the board of trustees for the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA), classified by some organisations as a hate group. (one of whose founders, Hamza Tzortzis, went on record as saying "We as Muslims reject the idea of freedom of speech, and even the idea of freedom.") Naik has been banned, rightly or wrongly, from entering the UK and Canada for his comments urging all Muslims to be terrorists. I think that should tell you all you need about their opinions and intentions.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
He never actually explains 'why' homosexuality is wrong. He claims that it is not natural, which is false. He claims it's not like the love between a man and a woman, that is false. He claims that it's not genetic and that therefore it's a choice. But that itself wouldn't explain why it is wrong even if true. At the end he quickly says that it is against God and the Koran and that's why. That's hardly a reason.
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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
(January 30, 2016 at 6:27 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: He never actually explains 'why' homosexuality is wrong.  He claims that it is not natural, which is false.  He claims it's not like the love between a man and a woman, that is false.  He claims that it's not genetic and that therefore it's a choice.  But that itself wouldn't explain why it is wrong even if true.  At the end he quickly says that it is against God and the Koran and that's why.  That's hardly a reason.

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At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
There is a person that is an open homosexual on Shiachat in the sense he is attracted to men while being a man himself. He is well respected as a Shia Muslim, and no one looks down upon him, but instead praise him for not engaging in sexual acts outside of marriage. The thing is some people are bisexual and are married to woman. It maybe one of the wisdom in that it is forbidden so that there isn't an environment that makes it easy to either cheat or come from a background of having done it with men before marrying a woman.

I think personally some people are practically born homosexual, in that they didn't really have a choice, I feel some do experiment and went through a confused state.

That said, I don't think all (sure there is a lot that do, but not all) people saying they changed from homosexual to bisexual or heterosexual are lying. I think some of them believing it was wrong were able to change their mindset.

It seems both Quran and Bible account of a whole city that became homosexual. This is not surely possible by all of them being born that and then expect to marry women. 

I think therefore Christians and Muslims from this story, if they can justify belief in it, are justified to believe that there is possible choice in changing attraction to genders.

Does there exist people who claim to have changed their attraction from liking the same sex to liking the opposite sex? Yes. There does. 

Are there people among these people who are only pretending that and lying to themselves? Definitely. Are there truthful? I think so as well. I don't think they are all lying.

That said, I respect people who are gay and get married to gay people as well, just that if you are Muslim, you have to believe it's forbidden. 

And that personally, I think if Prophet Lut was accepted, he would of guided his people to a spiritual power that can transform them back to heterosexual state.  Some people I've seen talk about the holy spirit transforming them from homosexuality to heterosexuality or bisexuality where they avoid and forbid themselves from attraction to homosexuals, and whenever thought pops out, they repel it.
 
At the end, whatever the truth, may it prevail, and not just conjecture, to reject classical views of cultures and religions neither blind dogmas to override the reality of humans.
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Zakir Naik is not a real medical doctor. He's not on the Indian Medical Register. It's sad that people worship him. Zakir Naik is one of those stupid people that likes to have sexy time with al-Saud.

And lol iREA. The "we say the Ummah is mocked/suffering, perpetuate the us and them mentality, and look at how immoral the West is, but we are totally not encouraging terrorism" people. You know, Fox News doesn't claim to be racist, and Bill O'Reilly doesn't claim to hate people of African descent, so I guess we should just take their word for it?

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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
Actually, I agree with everything in the video, until, you know, he started talking.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Dr Zakir Naik islamic-televangelist preaching homophobia
Yeah, it really went downhill at that point.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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(January 30, 2016 at 7:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Yeah, it really went downhill at that point.

I thought the way the woman in the audience asked the question was quite touching, though.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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