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February 3, 2016 at 6:01 pm (This post was last modified: February 3, 2016 at 6:02 pm by drfuzzy.)
(February 3, 2016 at 5:32 pm)GodCherry Wrote:
Quote: I've read some recent studies that suggest that homosexual tendencies can happen on a sliding scale...meaning that one can be born 100% or 0% homosexual or potentially another percentage homosexual and it may or may not become active based on environmental and social circumstances.
Most of the gay people I know say they were just born that way with one exception. I have a friend that was married, had kids, got divorced and then met another woman that she fell in love with. Now she says she's 100% gay and can't imagine being straight again.
I'm not gay (that I know of) so I can't speak for any absolutes on the topic but I think there's a lot of potential variables. Biology and human development is complex...a lot of combinations can happen.
Homosexuality also naturally occurs in nature. There was an article not long ago about two male penguins at the Detroit Zoo that pair bonded (penguins mate for life) and adopted an egg that was abandoned by a female penguin.
Regardless of what the biological realities are....consenting adults should have the right to love someone from whatever gender they choose and be afforded all the same rights as everyone else.
Christians citing biblical verse about homosexuality are ridiculous. First, the bible was written by men in a time that bears no resemblance to the present day. If their god had wanted to make a law about homosexuality, he didn't write it in the 10 commandments which is the one part of the bible supposedly authored by him. Also they pick one law out of Leviticus which consists of over 50 laws about sinning. They ignore all the others though. According to Leviticus, its also a sin comparable to men lying with men that one should not:
1. Have a round haircut
2. Wear clothing made of more than one type of cloth
3. Have sex with your wife while she's on her period.
etc, etc, etc.
But we don't hear psycho-christians trying to stifle the human rights of the aholes from their flock with bowl cuts, now do we?
And by the way, the word "homosexual" or "gay" doesn't even appear in the bible. The term christoids try to equate with it is "sodomite." However, that term actually in context of the bible refers to two things 1) ANY type of sex that isn't vaginal and 2) prostitution, particularly prostitution in the temples. They actually also used the term sodomitess to refer to women prostitutes.
Its far more modern christians that used that word to refer only to homosexuality and homosexual sex acts.
To summarize, christians have created their own bigotry about homosexuals out of a pack of lies and misrepresentation of their own misguided literature.
It's the Kinsey scale, 0 - 6. 0 = absolutely heterosexual (never felt any attraction toward someone of the same sex); 6= completely homosexual (never felt any attraction toward someone of the opposite sex).
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
Was never a choice for me. After hitting puberty the only people that turned me on were men. Then I had intercourse with one and that pretty much confirmed it .
"In three words I can sum up everything about life: it goes on."- Robert Frost
(February 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Do you tend to agree with any beliefs relating to why homosexuality exists?
When I ask this I mean on any level.
Some people believe it's a choice, others that its biological, some people believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Like some people believe the absence of a father figure or growing up with no females around like in prison or an all boys school.
I don't get why people are so obsessed with why. Who cares why? It just is.
If The Flintstones have taught us anything, it's that pelicans can be used to mix cement.
(February 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm)Kitan Wrote: I cannot speak for anyone else, but it was never a choice for me. I did not reach puberty with the arduous decision of either being attracted to boys or girls. One day, sometime during the onset of puberty, I simply found myself quite attracted to the male gender as opposed to the female gender, and that was how I discovered that I am gay.
Wasn't a choice for me, either, being a straight girl.
If The Flintstones have taught us anything, it's that pelicans can be used to mix cement.
(February 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Do you tend to agree with any beliefs relating to why homosexuality exists?
When I ask this I mean on any level.
Some people believe it's a choice, others that its biological, some people believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Like some people believe the absence of a father figure or growing up with no females around like in prison or an all boys school.
I don't get why people are so obsessed with why. Who cares why? It just is.
Personally I care why because I'm not a homosexual and I like to learn about other people's experiences, opinions and general outlook on the topic. I think all kinds of sexual desires and behavioural patterns are fascinating.
Who else cares? Well apart from far left liberals or people from the other end of the spectrum (Christians, Muslims other people who mostly seem to not like gay people) who have a vested interest in the subject, I imagine it's of interest to biologists since they would probably wonder how it fits in with evolution.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
February 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm (This post was last modified: February 4, 2016 at 7:59 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
Well, I'm a far left liberal and not remotely a biologist, and I couldn't care less what may be the root 'cause' for homosexuality. Which consenting adults fuck each other and why they do it is simply none of my bloody business.
Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
(February 4, 2016 at 7:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, I'm a far left liberal and not remotely a biologist, and I couldn't care less what may be the root 'cause' for homosexuality. Which consenting adults fuck each other and why they do it is simply none of my bloody business.
Boru
You must lack curiosity about this subject then.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
I find myself wondering why we're so obsessed with the "why?" as well.
It's probably many things. I'm gay, I can tell you it's not a choice (well, the sex is, but the attraction I mean) and probably just how my brain is wired up. I don't know anything more than that but I can vouch for it not being a choice.
That said, even if it was totally a choice, that still doesn't justify the gay-bashing. Saying "homosexiality is unnatural" is a non-argument. First off it's victimless, and how many things does every person do every day that isn't natural? You wake up with a man-made roof over your head, drive a car to work and eat shitty processed foods. I can't take the "it's unnatural" argument seriously unless it comes from the mouth of someone living naked out in the forest.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"- sarcasm_only
"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."- Maryam Namazie
(February 3, 2016 at 5:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think sometimes it's biological only, and sometimes it's a mix between biology and nurture. But it's never just nurture. And of course it's never a choice.
And yet acting in a harmless manner in accordance with one's nature is considered sinful in some circles.
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