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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 12:20 pm
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(February 5, 2016 at 7:48 pm)Sterben Wrote: Yep let's start with the spying by federal government on the worlds citizens for one. Second we need to end the private prison industry, third make pot legal, and then we can start to tackle other issues.
Honestly if alcahol can be legal given its dangers, all the current crop of illegal drugs should be too. Alcahol is by far the most destructive drug in health and legal terms.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 12:31 pm
(February 4, 2016 at 2:15 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Here's an interesting one for you. The debate about "natural born citizens" and presidential eligibility was brought up in the 2008 election (with Obama), and again this year because Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an American mother.
This isn't a thread about what constitutes a "natural born citizen", but rather whether that clause should even exist. The USA is on a very short list of countries which require their head of state to be a "natural born citizen", rather than someone who has gained citizenship via another means.
So what do you think?
Personally, I think that all citizens should be allowed to become President, but much like the requirement that Presidents be older than 35, people who have gained U.S. citizenship via means other than birth should have held that citizenship for a number of years (e.g. 20) and also been a U.S. resident for the same period of time.
I agree.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 12:44 pm
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I believe all citizens should be eligible, but at the same time I'm not an American, so I'm understandably biased.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 1:10 pm
I think it's important for someone to have lived here long enough in order to be eligible to run it. I don't think this is unreasonable.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 1:13 pm
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As it is, you're more likely to become President than any natural born atheist Americans anyway, CL. 
In fact, I think one is more likely to become the Pope than the P.O.T.U.S. as an atheist.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm
While we may not have 5 star rated Presidents they have all been natural citizens and better than all of the foreign leaders around the world. So the last thing we need is for a foreigner to become President of this mud hole.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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(February 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: While we may not have 5 star rated Presidents they have all been natural citizens and better than all of the foreign leaders around the world. So the last thing we need is for a foreigner to become President of this mud hole.
Does it bother you at all that I can't take you seriously right now and automatically assume you're trolling?
What that means is, you're dumb as fuck if you really think like that.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 2:48 pm
(February 7, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (February 7, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: While we may not have 5 star rated Presidents they have all been natural citizens and better than all of the foreign leaders around the world. So the last thing we need is for a foreigner to become President of this mud hole.
Does it bother you at all that I can't take you seriously right now and automatically assume you're trolling?
What that means is, you're dumb as fuck if you really think that.
List one foreigner ruler who is worth a damn.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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(February 7, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (February 7, 2016 at 2:44 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: Does it bother you at all that I can't take you seriously right now and automatically assume you're trolling?
What that means is, you're dumb as fuck if you really think that.
List one foreigner ruler who is worth a damn.
Your mum.
Seriously though, I'm not going to engage you.
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RE: U.S. Presidents & The Natural-born-citizen Clause
February 7, 2016 at 3:01 pm
(February 7, 2016 at 2:50 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote: (February 7, 2016 at 2:48 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: List one foreigner ruler who is worth a damn.
Your mum.
Seriously though, I'm not going to engage you.
Hey, you jumped in so name one foreign leader who is worth a damn.
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