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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You're right, Lady.
Wow, well thanks for clarifying. Glad I wasted my time. Right. Hope you finally got what you wanted to hear.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: How can you say you don't believe that?! You have almost literally said that you trust God has reasons for his complicity; for letting nature take its course. I'm not trying to make you agree with me CL. I'm trying to understand why you make this exception. And it certainly doesn't follow that I must think you are a bad person for making exceptions for god.
Look up the Roman Catholic set of dogmas and believes. It's not comparable to what evangelists believe, who, often, take the bible literally.
I don't subscribe to it and I find it contradictory, but it opens various escape routes for everyone not wanting to subscribe to the letter of the bible. CL repeatedly said to take the OT as being an allegory. I replied with not having that luxury some 40 years ago when growing up a catholic. But cahtolics have now and that's what CL obviously supports.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: Then why do you excuse the god who is pleased to stand by and watch when it happens?
And, in fact, this god condones it.
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My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What I am saying is that it's not logical.
Well obviously it is to me.
Well then, like I said earlier, can we not agree to disagree here without grudge holding?
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March 8, 2016 at 10:18 pm
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:19 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:12 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: They are absolutely free to do so, since quite frankly, I'm not cool with anyone who thinks I'm excusing rape in any way shape or form. The feeling would be mutual.
Then why do you excuse the god who is pleased to stand by and watch when it happens? .
I have explained this for the last time in Post #618. Don't know what else you want me to say.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:20 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:14 pm)abaris Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:08 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: How can you say you don't believe that?! You have almost literally said that you trust God has reasons for his complicity; for letting nature take its course. I'm not trying to make you agree with me CL. I'm trying to understand why you make this exception. And it certainly doesn't follow that I must think you are a bad person for making exceptions for god.
Look up the Roman Catholic set of dogmas and believes. It's not comparable to what evangelists believe, who, often, take the bible literally.
I don't subscribe to it and I find it contradictory, but it opens various escape routes for everyone not wanting to subscribe to the letter of the bible. CL repeatedly said to take the OT as being an allegory. I replied with not having that luxury some 40 years ago when growing up a catholic. But cahtolics have now and that's what CL obviously supports.
'Escape routes' is right...*grumble*
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:21 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:16 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well obviously it is to me.
Well then, like I said earlier, can we not agree to disagree here without grudge holding?
Not if our disagreement involves you insisting that I'm excusing the complicity of rape, torture, murder, and every single vile thing anyone has ever done.
Sorry. If I was a perfect person I could get over that too, but I'm not and I can't.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:26 pm
(March 8, 2016 at 10:13 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (March 8, 2016 at 10:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: What I am saying is that it's not logical.
Well obviously it is to me.
A logical argument is testable, and when you make any argument it is either logical or it is not - it's not a matter of opinion.
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RE: My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 10:28 pm
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