My views on objective morality

[Whateverist]

Yabbut he is always throwing his asshat pronouncements around shamelessly and imperially. If he didn't want the hammer he shouldn't stick out so high.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

It's easy to pass judgement when you were...well, where the fuck were you during this discussion?

I was living my life. I can't spend every hour on the internet. Could you not think of something weaker than that to complain about?

You said before that you read the whole thread, and now you admit that you didn't. Why don't you just pick a lie and stick with it?

[abaris]

Yabbut he is always throwing his asshat pronouncements around shamelessly and imperially.  If he didn't want the hammer he shouldn't stick out so high.

But he does so in a pathetic manner. Others ride the high horse of ignorant superiority. These are usually the ones deserving of bile.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

To be fair about it, I don't see anyone still passing judgement on CL, and a few of you are protecting pets of yours from all criticism as a means of building political clout around here. I still like CL, and I hope she comes back, but she should not be made by any sanctimonious assholes on a power play to believe her comments are above critical analysis, and she opened a serious can of worms with this thread.

Cathy is NOT a pet that needs protecting. I think that she's handled her own pretty damn well considering. She's been here since June of last year and honestly, she's always been able to hold her own. However, she is still my friend. If I, and others here can clearly see that she's being ganged up on, then yes - true friends are going to step in and have a say so on it. It's what friends do. They help each other.  Some of you got called out for your continued barrage of attacks on her. Can't handle that? There's the door.  I will always come to the defense of a friend - theist or atheist - if they are being ganged up on by others who want to go beyond what is a reasonable debate and start accusing someone of something - whether if is a belief or not. Huggy is another example. He was called a racist in another thread and I came to his defense. Some people here seem to think they are above and beyond and better than everyone else and can do and say anything they want with no regards to other people's feelings and will cross several lines just to do it. If people have a problem with me coming to the defense of a friend, then block me and be done with it. That doesn't make me, or anyone else defending a friend, sanctimonious assholes on a power play either. Furthermore this has nothing to do with building political clout. Where you even get that is beyond me.

You made it clear yesterday that yo are attacking me because you believe you should be a moderator. The above makes clear why you are not, nor should you ever be.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I would like to remind all you sanctimonious assholes who showed up to point the finger after the action is over that Lady and I are not the only people behind this disaster with CL, and we didn't start the fire either. It was one of your own, Lucky (you named us exclusively), who pushed CL over the edge with his words, and I will never forget them: "You are a horrible, horrible person". That was Rhythm, who has been quiet through today. I believe his intent was good, but I know that I would not have used words like that with CL, and that actually says something because I know I'm not very kind. While I didn't like the words that were used, they could not be opposed while still pursuing the point that the problem of evil makes believers perverse in their morality. After Rhythm quietly bowed out, Lady and I were left to try and explain to CL, while she was crying over what he had called her, the point which was intended, but she could not be reached. Maybe we should have just let it go, but nobody wants to quit on hard feelings, and I thought we had almost made some progress with her - just couldn't slow down the momentum.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Sometimes justice really is more important than somebody's precious feelings, and arrogant special pleading should not be indefinitely overlooked just because the theist in question is cute and smooth. This means sometimes good people need to get their hands dirty.

When I look at this thread, I see what is supposed to be casual conversation between adults with free time on their hands, not a battle in the greater war for justice against the depredations of religion.

A couple of years here taught me that you're not going to change any minds by (metaphorically) bashing their skulls until things re-arrange to your liking. Which I should have known, because I was a believing Christian once and passionate insults had nothing to do with why I'm not anymore.

Justice doesn't matter here? Good, then in that case we don't need any mods!

Honest to serious fuck, if we didn't take the injustices of religion very seriously, then we'd all be somewhere discussing Justin Bieber, or at a book club.

[Losty]

I would like to remind all you sanctimonious assholes who showed up to point the finger after the action is over that Lady and I are not the only people behind this disaster with CL, and we didn't start the fire either. It was one of your own, Lucky (you named us exclusively), who pushed CL over the edge with his words, and I will never forget them: "You are a horrible, horrible person". That was Rhythm, who has been quiet through today. I believe his intent was good, but I know that I would not have used words like that with CL, and that actually says something because I know I'm not very kind. While I didn't like the words that were used, they could not be opposed while still pursuing the point that the problem of evil makes believers perverse in their morality. After Rhythm quietly bowed out, Lady and I were left to try and explain to CL, while she was crying over what he had called her, the point which was intended, but she could not be reached. Maybe we should have just let it go, but nobody wants to quit on hard feelings, and I thought we had almost made some progress with her - just couldn't slow down the momentum.

I don't think Luckie was accusing you of anything. She just stepped into the thread, she said she'd only seen a bit between certain people, and she said when she had time she would read the whole thread.

If she gets through it, I'll be impressed. I think I made it to page 52 or so when I had to start responding because I couldn't bear to read any more.

What Rhythm said was mean but I don't think it violated any rules and while I think calling her a horrible person was uncalled for I still agreed with the rest of his point.

[LadyForCamus]

I would like to remind all you sanctimonious assholes who showed up to point the finger after the action is over that Lady and I are not the only people behind this disaster with CL, and we didn't start the fire either. It was one of your own, Lucky (you named us exclusively), who pushed CL over the edge with his words, and I will never forget them: "You are a horrible, horrible person". That was Rhythm, who has been quiet through today. I believe his intent was good, but I know that I would not have used words like that with CL, and that actually says something because I know I'm not very kind. While I didn't like the words that were used, they could not be opposed while still pursuing the point that the problem of evil makes believers perverse in their morality. After Rhythm quietly bowed out, Lady and I were left to try and explain to CL, while she was crying over what he had called her, the point which was intended, but she could not be reached. Maybe we should have just let it go, but nobody wants to quit on hard feelings, and I thought we had almost made some progress with her - just couldn't slow down the momentum.

I'm taking some time to reflect on all that went down here, but yeah, let's remember: Rob called her a rape apologist, Benny said people here only defend her because her boobs are big, and rhythm told her to fuck off. If any mod action is warranted I feel it wholly unfair that hanky and I alone should have to shoulder that responsibility.

[Losty]

I would like to remind all you sanctimonious assholes who showed up to point the finger after the action is over that Lady and I are not the only people behind this disaster with CL, and we didn't start the fire either. It was one of your own, Lucky (you named us exclusively), who pushed CL over the edge with his words, and I will never forget them: "You are a horrible, horrible person". That was Rhythm, who has been quiet through today. I believe his intent was good, but I know that I would not have used words like that with CL, and that actually says something because I know I'm not very kind. While I didn't like the words that were used, they could not be opposed while still pursuing the point that the problem of evil makes believers perverse in their morality. After Rhythm quietly bowed out, Lady and I were left to try and explain to CL, while she was crying over what he had called her, the point which was intended, but she could not be reached. Maybe we should have just let it go, but nobody wants to quit on hard feelings, and I thought we had almost made some progress with her - just couldn't slow down the momentum.

I'm taking some time to reflect on all that went down here, but yeah, let's remember: Rob called her a rape apologist, Benny said people here only defend her because her boobs are big, and rhythm told her to fuck off.  If any mod action is warranted I feel it wholly unfair that hanky and I should have to shoulder that burden alone.  

Is there a mod action?? Maybe I'll have to go through the 20 pages I missed because I saw you being nothing but respectful up to page 52. And I didn't see anyone violating any rules except maybe bennyboy when he said about CL maybe not being a woman. It might be considered a personal attack or bringing something too personal into the discussion. It's definitely not against the rules to tell someone to go fuck themselves the last I checked.

[LadyForCamus]

I'm taking some time to reflect on all that went down here, but yeah, let's remember: Rob called her a rape apologist, Benny said people here only defend her because her boobs are big, and rhythm told her to fuck off.  If any mod action is warranted I feel it wholly unfair that hanky and I should have to shoulder that burden alone.  

Is there a mod action?? Maybe I'll have to go through the 20 pages I missed because I saw you being nothing but respectful up to page 52. And I didn't see anyone violating any rules except maybe bennyboy when he said about CL maybe not being a woman. It might be considered a personal attack or bringing something too personal into the discussion. It's definitely not against the rules to tell someone to go fuck themselves the last I checked.

I'm not sure. Luckie mentioned it.