My views on objective morality

[robvalue]

OK so...

Most people seem to try to control their anger where appropriate. Who is confused about it?

I live in a country which is highly atheist/irreligious, and I don't see anger issues very often.

[Mystic]

OK so...

Most people seem to try to control their anger where appropriate. Who is confused about it?

I don't think most people try to control their anger. I think most people react to their anger. That's been my experience. And they don't ever take their reacting to anger and getting angry as bad, but just a normal part of being human.

I personally would be confused if morality was not from the divine. In fact, I would be confused if the morality was from the divine but there was no clarification from the divine about it.

[Mr.wizard]

OK so...

Most people seem to try to control their anger where appropriate. Who is confused about it?

I don't think most people try to control their anger. I think most people react to their anger. That's been my experience. And they don't ever take their reacting to anger and getting angry as bad, but just a normal part of being human.

I personally would be confused if morality was not from the divine. In fact, I would be confused if the morality was from the divine but there was no clarification from the divine about it.

I hate to be the one to tell you, but you are confused.

[Mystic]

It's not the case that he simply commands, rather he creates through the truth of his standards (divine names) which are based on his essence. He doesn't decide morality or create it from nothing. Neither does it exist separately from him or independent of him, but rather he is the standard.

And how do you explain "human" morality standards with animals? I'm not holding my breath of any theist looking at the scientific evidence or to comment on it. It would burst their bubble of being special.

From what I understand, all animals have an experience of divine but they don't have the degree or middle balanced station of humanity.  One important thing is that what our nature from the divine is, we ought to be true to it. That is to not to say simply what God creates, but in so far, as our nature is derived from God, we ought to act according to it. And we ought to move so we are more in tune with the divine. The animals all glorify God by a praise that is something we overall don't understand as humans. 

Of course evolution happens to morality because there is a link to all beings to God. Otherwise a mutation giving a different understanding of morality is not a reason to believe in it, but if it gives a more link to understanding of divine, then the mutation is reminding of something eternal, all stages in all hues and forms are to be found in God as far as the beauty and glory is concerned. 

In fact, from a different angle, everything is a complete manifestation of God in so far as God is the ultimate of it and the ultimate of it is what unites all existence.

[robvalue]

Most people don't control their anger? Where do you live? It must be a scary place.

So even if they don't, what difference does it being "objectively immoral" to get angry make? Clearly, it's not stopping them.

You're talking about believing and following a specific set of objective rules, rules which could just as well have been anything else. I'm asking what difference it makes if morality is actually "objective".

[Mystic]

So even if they don't, what difference does it being "objectively immoral" to get angry make?

Why do you ask a question that has already been answered?

[robvalue]

OK, well I don't think you have. You've said it makes a difference if you believe it's objective; not if it actually is.

Seriously, are you surrounded by angry people all the time? If you are, my condolences.

[Mr.wizard]

He answers every question the same way, with a lot of word salad, and when you ask for clarification he gives you more word salad with extra dressing.

[Mystic]

There is also another thing that is missing in your perspective from my perspective.  What you deem most important, most valuable, is definitely related to morality from my point of view.  It's actually the center of morality.

The issue from my perspective, uncleanness of Satan and the purity of the word of God's light, are realities, they are part of the human condition. 

When we decide to value the "I" often, it's not the true "I" God sees and knows, but it's an illusion created by Satanic whispering and influence, and itself has an unclean reality linked to the very unclean nature of Satan. Satan in this way becomes most valued by us, we thinking it is ourselves we are valuing and working for, and striving for, and preferring over others for, but in reality, it's not us, it's an identity linked to Satan's uncleanness.  

In this way we value it over the light of God within us, thereby not appreciating the treasure within us. We forget the greatest thing we have which is the link towards God. We thereby heedlessly worship Satan. We value others, and value other things more then we value God, and all this time we think we are serving ourselves, but we are serving a false perception of ourselves, an unclean darkness that is not us.

We are so attached to this identity, and we are veiled from our higher and more sublime qualities and traits, till, they slowly begin to disappear and we become part of the darkness of Satan and we slowly become born from his unclean spirit.

In this false identity,  worldly provisions is mixed in, in which, we could of gotten no matter what, but we idolize these things as well. We value them on par with God.

We take leaders and follow them often all to protect whatever identity Satan influenced us to have. We obey them and heighten them, even if they no proof of clear authority to be followed. 

Everything is valued highly but God.  Or if we value God, we also make God a means, and not the goal. We make him a means of deluding ourselves further and further, rather then purifying ourselves and being sincere in his worship.

All this is a great injustice. We thereby worship Satan thinking we are valuing ourselves, but rather we are valuing his uncleanness which seems to be us, but is not us.

We get further and further.   We belittle God, we become ungrateful for the treasure and potential we were given, and we deny the path that was meant for us, and spit at the help of God offered by him.

We become rebellious towards the most good being, the most exalted being.

All this is evil. We don't realize because we are veiled from our states and their reality, we are veiled to a degree, and we pay no attention to it's scent from a far place, and rather pay attention to Satanic whispering.

The uncleanness takes over, the darkness overrides, and in the midst of that, is an obsession to convince oneself is as righteous and as good as God's sincere servants. Thereby denying the center of morality which is to value God above all else, submitting to him and loving him with all one's heart, and then to love and value others through that very light of God thereby loving for his sake,

And in all that, we are bold, and say, if God was good, he would not punish us, and we will have nothing but goodness in the next world.

We have a great power within us, a great potential, a link to something high and exalted, that can defeat Satan and his forces. We just have to take hold of that. We have to accept the help of others and the help of God.

But mainly look for that rope of God that he wants us to help us by and help us defeat our hidden enemy. 

All this ungratefulness is a huge injustice.  All this valuing the uncleanness of Satan over the path of worshiping God, is a huge injustice.

Of course, there is a world of difference when God is made the goal of our life or when we value a self that is falsely attributed to us, but really, is of the unclean ego and pride of Satan.

We stay behind, while the friends of God are ascending and tasting from beneath them and above them. We stay behind in the unclean darkness while his friends are piercing the veils of light with the vision of their souls towards God till their souls get suspended by the honor of his sanctity.

He whispers to them secretly and they work for him openly, while, we are heedless to all this, and go on settling for what has not iota of worth or value.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Word salad word salad word salad, word salad word salad, word salad. Word salad....
The Euthypro dilemma was originally conceived under polytheism, but the philosophical question it asks still applies to monotheism, and monotheism still falls short of an answer to it.

Asserting that it still applies does not make it so. Since you have no respect for philosophy (word salad, as you say) then maybe you should refrain from engaging in it. In other words, better to be silent and thought the fool, than speak and provide proof.