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Bernie Sanders - Hope?
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Bernie Sanders - Hope?
For the Bernie Sanders supporters out there, today was a terrible loss. He lost every state. At one point it looked like he could squeek by in Missouri, and Illinois, but Hillary Clinton managed to edge him out in both states meaning he lost every state.


This is pretty disappointing, but it's not over yet. You need to be fair though, it's much more likely Clinton will be the nominee. However, it's not impossible by any means. From here on out, the election map massively shifts in Bernie's favor. He'll need a ton of convincing wins in the upcoming states, but he's already convincingly leading in most of them. His leads however, even at the current state, probably won't be enough. He needs to win the huge states like New York, California, etc. to climb the hill to nomination. It's easy to see the race as being finished for the democrats after the losses today, but for people supporting Sanders, the world isn't over. Bernie has enough money to take it to the very end, regardless. I don't think it's hopeless.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
It's not hopeless, but it's pretty far fetched.

I think it's important to squash all of these #BernieOrBust idiots. As Bill Maher says, eat the fucking chicken even if you ordered the fish.

Staying home because it's not Bernie helps us have a President Trump.

Hillary needs to nominate Elizabeth Warren to squash the Wall Street stuff and also get some of the Berners back on board. Then Bernie needs to stump for Hillary, and keep his base excited.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
(March 16, 2016 at 2:55 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It's not hopeless, but it's pretty far fetched.

I think it's important to squash all of these #BernieOrBust idiots. As Bill Maher says, eat the fucking chicken even if you ordered the fish.

Staying home because it's not Bernie helps us have a President Trump.

Hillary needs to nominate Elizabeth Warren to squash the Wall Street stuff and also get some of the Berners back on board. Then Bernie needs to stump for Hillary, and keep his base excited.
She's not going to nominate someone to help her bring down Wall Street. She is funded by wall street. If you really think she's going to be tougher, or even tough at all in comparison to Bernie Sanders on wall street, you don't know anything about politics. They aren't giving her money for no reason. She just needs to pretend she's siding with Bernie on the issue of corruption in politics, so that she doesn't lose votes.
Which is better:
To die with ignorance, or to live with intelligence?

Truth doesn't accommodate to personal opinions.
The choice is yours. 
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
I think there is still hope. Demographically the states favour Senator Sanders from now on. There's been a lot of luck in this election season. And, plus. the television news is all pro-Hillary, although Donald Trump has been grabbing much of the attention. And, Bill Clinton was preventing people from voting Massachusetts, when campaigning is not allowed within 150ft of a polling station in Massachusetts, and he was even seen inside polling stations.

1. Hillary's states have all pretty much voted by now. This gave her 'momentum'. People don't know her real record on African people: She was in cahoots with Rahm Emanuel and has referred to Africans as 'super-predators' in the past.
2. Hillary won the coin tosses in Iowa. If Sanders had won Iowa that could have given him more momentum.
3. Many Sanders supporters have been on spring break when their states have voted.
4. Antonin Scalia died, that's significant
5. Donald Trump is a wildcard
6. Hillary, like Trump, is a ticking time tomb. She could be indited. If she is indited that'll surely affect the election season, especially if it's whilst the primaries are still happening.

There is still hope, but it'll be tough. Sanders needs some big victories. But it's easier for Sanders from now on.

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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
(March 16, 2016 at 2:55 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It's not hopeless, but it's pretty far fetched.

I think it's important to squash all of these #BernieOrBust idiots. As Bill Maher says, eat the fucking chicken even if you ordered the fish.

Staying home because it's not Bernie helps us have a President Trump.

Hillary needs to nominate Elizabeth Warren to squash the Wall Street stuff and also get some of the Berners back on board. Then Bernie needs to stump for Hillary, and keep his base excited.

I refuse to vote for Hillary.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
Personally, I don't want Trump in the White house. I don't want Hillary either, but when it comes down to it, if she gets the nomination, I'd rather see a dem there than a repub. We need to keep Trump out of the White house by any means necessary if Sanders does not get the nomination

This is a scary time for our country and our youngest generation of voters needs to wake up and realize the importance of voting correctly.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
(March 16, 2016 at 3:40 am)Nymphadora Wrote: This is a scary time for our country and our youngest generation of voters needs to wake up and realize the importance of voting correctly.

What does that mean? Are you saying people shouldn't vote for the candidates which they most agree with? The fact that both front-runners are so polarizing shows how broken the two-party system is.

Why shouldn't people vote for someone else? Why should people continue to give a system they don't like legitimacy? I fully support people who say they will vote for Jill Stein if Senator Sanders doesn't get the Democratic ticket.

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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
I'm saying that these younger voters need to really look at everything closely. They need to do their research on the candidates and not rely solely on the media for their information. We live in an age of immediate gratification and sadly, this younger generation has been raised with technology in their hands since they were toddlers. For this, it's too easy for the media to manipulate and put out there, what THEY want the public to see. The smear campaigns that go on between candidates now is ridiculous. In the last 10 - 15 years, especially. All you ever see on TV during an election is attack ads.
How about these candidates pay for ads that outline where they stand on the issues rather than worrying about attacking their opponent's character?

This is what I'm talking about.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
Is Jill Stein a write in on the ballots? If so, when was the last time you ever saw a candidate not nominated by either party, actually elected?

If it's happened, it's been before my time.
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
(March 16, 2016 at 3:09 am)Heat Wrote:
(March 16, 2016 at 2:55 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: It's not hopeless, but it's pretty far fetched.

I think it's important to squash all of these #BernieOrBust idiots. As Bill Maher says, eat the fucking chicken even if you ordered the fish.

Staying home because it's not Bernie helps us have a President Trump.

Hillary needs to nominate Elizabeth Warren to squash the Wall Street stuff and also get some of the Berners back on board. Then Bernie needs to stump for Hillary, and keep his base excited.
She's not going to nominate someone to help her bring down Wall Street. She is funded by wall street. If you really think she's going to be tougher, or even tough at all in comparison to Bernie Sanders on wall street, you don't know anything about politics. They aren't giving her money for no reason. She just needs to pretend she's siding with Bernie on the issue of corruption in politics, so that she doesn't lose votes.

I never said she'd be tougher on Wall Street. I don't think any candidate, including Bernie, could do anything to Wall Street with the current congressional/political system. I am not a Hillary fan by any means. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter, but I am also a realist. I may not like Hillary, but I don't think she'll make things worse---and I think every single one of the asshats on the other side will make things way worse. Elizabeth Warren is the person not to make Hillary do anything. She's the person that is exciting, when there is literally nothing exciting about Hillary herself. Warren will grab some of these #BernieOrBust fans because she's got the same track record. She allows Hillary to go for the moderates while Warren attracts the left-leaners.

Getting a liberal in the White House is imperative. There is a Supreme Court Justice to nominate, and this president will likely nominate two more. You think Trump or Cruz is going to replace RBG and Breyer with moderates? That's why you eat the fucking chicken. Because a generation's worth of Supreme Court decisions is on the line. Contesting Citizen's United so we can approach an only mildly outrageous election cycle in 4 years is on the line. Pouting at home because Bernie didn't win and allowing Donald Trump to become our next president because the left's candidate isn't left enough is ludicrous.

I understand the choice to cast a vote for the candidate you most agree with. I don't understand not having a rational view of what the outcome of that will be. When the Trump/Christie ticket gets into the White House because 10% of the nation wrote in Bernie Sanders, what does that accomplish? Your voice was heard? Nice. Now you can be sued for calling Trump a moron on the internet because Trump executive actioned libel laws into orbit. Now we have three conservative justices where there was just one. Now trade and diplomacy across the world turn to shit because The Donald kicks in doors and expects to be a mogul on everything.

Making a point is one thing. Demonstrating your point to your own detriment is entirely another.
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