The main reason I'm an atheist

[Little Rik]

Brilliant indeed.

Here we are with slow learners that find difficult to understand very simple things.  

I never said that ......the material world causes problems, therefore the supernatural must be real .....as some people guessed.
I admitted that i did a mistake in pretending that some people would understand simple things straight away.
From now on I will slow down the tuition hoping that slow learners will get the message the first time.

The material-physical world has nothing to do with causing problem.
The reality is that when we get something the package come with good and bad news.
Nothing come only positive and only good.
All come in balance positive-negative.
Even the physical laws tell us this that is why i challenge Fuzzy to show me that something may be free of
the negative side.
But Fuzzy nor anyone of you will ever be able to show that real progress exist in this physical reality.
It is impossible.

From here we can move to the second issue provided that the slow learners get this point.
It was about whether the supernatural exist it not.
NDEs already established this but for a moment forget the NDEs and let us see what make sense.
Evolution is a reality.
Not as Darwin intended because he discovered next to nothing but rather from a point of view that make sense.
It is natural that everything that start tend to reach a finish point that is why evolution need a finishing point.
One life is not enough to reach the finishing point.
Not only this but considering that the progress is impossible in this physical universe then there got to be
a way out needed to allow real progress.
But again people who go around with blinkers on their eyes and see only in front of their nose will find
too difficult to understand and here i stop for the time being.  

[Redbeard The Pink]

Rik, I fully encourage you to derail more threads with your NDE nonsense and to continue calling everyone here stupid without supporting it whenever they disagree with you. Bring the board to a halt with that shit, if you can.


I figured it was only a matter of time before this garbage started leaking out of that one thread and contaminating the rest of the board.

[Little Rik]

Rik, I fully encourage you to derail more threads with your NDE nonsense and to continue calling everyone here stupid without supporting it whenever they disagree with you. Bring the board to a halt with that shit, if you can.

I figured it was only a matter of time before this garbage started leaking out of that one thread and contaminating the rest of the board.

Pinky.  
You live in a fantasy world that is why i suggest to you to switch back to human once you finish your
clown show.
The forum is all about arguing not about agree with the present speaker.
It is by arguing that you can have any chance to learn something.
Schools instead are for people who only want to learn without arguing.
There are differences among the two.
Once you choose to come in a forum you must be prepared to the challenge.
If not then don't come at all.
Beside if people here don't like what i say then they shouldn't reply back but they do.  

[Redbeard The Pink]

It's not the disagreement that's the problem, Rik. It's the fact that you treat other people like they're stupid even though your standard for evidence is abysmal and you have a poor grasp of the language. Your lack of critical thinking skills must be the only thing keeping up your ridiculously high opinion of yourself.

[RozKek]

That is bizarre Roz.
In the past i did produce a number of studies only to be told that i really should take in serious consideration the biggest study ever carried out by the best expert in the field Dr. Parnia.
Guess what Roz.
I did read Dr. Parnia report and guess what?
He conclude that there is no evidence for or against NDEs and more study is needed to find out
the truth.
So if the so called expert say no or yes how the hell mr. Roz can pop up and say no?

You never thought about it Roz, did you?  




Here we are with one more statement that the consciousness originate from the brain.
EVIDENCE ROZ, EVIDENCE or get lost.  





This is a course that everybody will have to take sooner or later in this or in a future life.
There is no other way around.
Everybody try to go up.
Even those who do the wrong thing and go down nevertheless they aim at up in order to find peace
of mind.
And up mean only one thing.
To merge in the infinite ocean of bliss.  

I never said NDEs aren't real, I said that there is nothing miraculous, special, holy or immaterial about them and they only originate in the brain, and I provided a link which provides scientific explanations to what causes them.

I say consciousness arises from the chemical reactions in your brain because it's crystal clear that other chemicals (e.g drugs, medicines, foods, beaverages etc) can heavily affect disturb/change the chemical reactions occuring in your brain and by doing that also affecting your counciousness. Also you can't render someone uncounscious by punching their toes, but if you hit them on the neck, the skull, the jaw you can knock someone uncounscious because those areas have stronger connections to the brain. Or as an example when the brain doesn't get enough oxygen you go uncounscious. If those few points aren't evidence that consciousness does arise from the brain then they are at least strong suggestions. And you got nothing to support your claim that the human body is made out of consciousness or w/e you said and your claim that consciousness/the mind is seperate from the brain isn't supported either. And if you post some sources, please post some reliable sources not sources like "www.openyerbrein.batshit" whom are very biased.

Also your conscious state correlates with neural activity in the brain (correct me if I am wrong).

Also I checked up Sam Parnia and he most likely is the "best expert" in the "field" because not many others take NDEs as seriously as other subjects. Also most of his beliefs/views are rejected by the majority of scientists so I doubt that he's something special.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Parnia] I got that information from wikipedia although my first sentence: "Also I checked up Sam Parnia and he most likely is the best expert in the field because not many others take NDEs as seriously as other subjects." is mostly an assumption but very likely. I doubt many scientists research NDEs relatively speaking.

Regarding your last sentence, what have you been smoking? 
I understand that wanting to believe in eternal bliss, an afterlife and such can be comforting, but I'll stick to what science shows, not what I want to believe, and I like to avoid pseudoscience.

You'll be surprised how ridiculous those things sound. I mean, come on, my relatives share these shitty pseudoscience articles and I don't understand how they don't see how dumb it sounds... "how 2 cure cancer with yer mind". Seriously, it would be awesome if we could, I've lost two very close people to cancer within 2 years, as much as I'd like the cure for cancer to be in our minds, I don't believe it because it isn't scientifically supported, there is no evidence etc. Who says the articles that claim "superfoods" can cure your diseases aren't made by people who sells those "superfoods" and want to increase their sales. Or it can be a sadist whom enjoys inflicting pain on others and they mislead people so they suffer or maybe they're spread by pathological liars. I realised this last paragraph wasn't directly related to your post, but yeah, thought it would be good to say since judging by my experience people who share the same beliefs as you do usually follow pseudoscience.
Hopefully you don't.

Excuse me if I have typos and misspellings.


Best regards,    

[drfuzzy]

[Little Rik]

I never said NDEs aren't real, I said that there is nothing miraculous, special, holy or immaterial about them and they only originate in the brain, and I provided a link which provides scientific explanations to what causes them.

Roz.  

You read hundreds of NDEs experiences and each and everyone of them tell you the opposite.
They all say that the brain is 100% OFF during that time and the consciousness is 100% ON.
Go and ask your expert whether they ever had an NDE.
They did not so how they suppose to be expert then?

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

I say consciousness arises from the chemical reactions in your brain because it's crystal clear that other chemicals (e.g drugs, medicines, foods, beaverages etc) can heavily affect disturb/change the chemical reactions occuring in your brain and by doing that also affecting your counciousness. Also you can't render someone uncounscious by punching their toes, but if you hit them on the neck, the skull, the jaw you can knock someone uncounscious because those areas have stronger connections to the brain. Or as an example when the brain doesn't get enough oxygen you go uncounscious. If those few points aren't evidence that consciousness does arise from the brain then they are at least strong suggestions. And you got nothing to support your claim that the human body is made out of consciousness or w/e you said and your claim that consciousness/the mind is seperate from the brain isn't supported either. And if you post some sources, please post some reliable sources not sources like "www.openyerbrein.batshit" whom are very biased.
Also your conscious state correlates with neural activity in the brain (correct me if I am wrong).

Life is such that there got to exist a parallelism among body-brain-mind and consciousness.
When this parallelism doesn't exist anymore then the body die.
There is no evidence that the I or consciousness die as well.
In fact there is evidence for the opposite as NDEs show us.

It is obvious that if a brick fall on the head each and everyone of the components of ourselves will
notice the event and in many cases our body die.
That is natural but nobody so far produce any evidence that when the body die everything die.

Also I checked up Sam Parnia and he most likely is the "best expert" in the "field" because not many others take NDEs as seriously as other subjects. Also most of his beliefs/views are rejected by the majority of scientists so I doubt that he's something special.
[source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Parnia] I got that information from wikipedia although my first sentence: "Also I checked up Sam Parnia and he most likely is the best expert in the field because not many others take NDEs as seriously as other subjects." is mostly an assumption but very likely. I doubt many scientists research NDEs relatively speaking.

I already explain you that everybody here suggest me to see Dr. Parnia report and so i did.
His conclusions were very clear.
NO YES NO NO so he concluded nothing.

Regarding your last sentence, what have you been smoking? 
I understand that wanting to believe in eternal bliss, an afterlife and such can be comforting, but I'll stick to what science shows, not what I want to believe, and I like to avoid pseudoscience.

Hopefully you don't.

Have a good day.

[LadyForCamus]

Brilliant indeed.

Here we are with slow learners that find difficult to understand very simple things.  

I never said that ......the material world causes problems, therefore the supernatural must be real .....as some people guessed.
I admitted that i did a mistake in pretending that some people would understand simple things straight away.
From now on I will slow down the tuition hoping that slow learners will get the message the first time.

The material-physical world has nothing to do with causing problem.
The reality is that when we get something the package come with good and bad news.
Nothing come only positive and only good.
All come in balance positive-negative.
Even the physical laws tell us this that is why i challenge Fuzzy to show me that something may be free of
the negative side.
But Fuzzy nor anyone of you will ever be able to show that real progress exist in this physical reality.
It is impossible.

From here we can move to the second issue provided that the slow learners get this point.
It was about whether the supernatural exist it not.
NDEs already established this but for a moment forget the NDEs and let us see what make sense.
Evolution is a reality.
Not as Darwin intended because he discovered next to nothing but rather from a point of view that make sense.
It is natural that everything that start tend to reach a finish point that is why evolution need a finishing point.
One life is not enough to reach the finishing point.
Not only this but considering that the progress is impossible in this physical universe then there got to be
a way out needed to allow real progress.
But again people who go around with blinkers on their eyes and see only in front of their nose will find
too difficult to understand and here i stop for the time being.  

http://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c

[Little Rik]

It's not the disagreement that's the problem, Rik. It's the fact that you treat other people like they're stupid even though your standard for evidence is abysmal and you have a poor grasp of the language. Your lack of critical thinking skills must be the only thing keeping up your ridiculously high opinion of yourself.

Pinky.  

If somebody say ......i don't really know how evolution works ....then i regard that person in high regard
because he-she show a good level of honesty but if someone argue with religious people about NO creation
and YES evolution and then when asked what evolution is all about i find that they can not explain how evolution start how it works and where it lead to then i regard these people as bullshit artists and total idiots.

So far i found a lot of these idiots that is why I treat them as such.  

[Redbeard The Pink]

Pinky.  

If somebody say ......i don't really know how evolution works ....then i regard that person in high regard

Why, because it leaves you a gap to fill in with your yoga gods?

because he-she show a good level of honesty but if someone argue with religious people about NO creation
and YES evolution and then when asked what evolution is all about i find that they can not explain how evolution start how it works and where it lead to then i regard these people as bullshit artists and total idiots.

This again?


The "start" of evolution is called abiogenesis, and it is a separate phenomenon from evolution. Evolution only explains how life changes over time from generation to generation. It does not explain how life started because it isn't supposed to. That would be the job of abiogenesis.


Furthermore, we don't know nothing about abiogenesis, we just don't have a complete diagram of it yet. We do, however, know a few things about some of the materials and processes that must have been involved, and it turns out that magic hasn't shown itself to be a necessary component. Life is based on biochemistry, which is based on organic chemistry, which is based on regular chemistry. All of the processes and elements behind life are naturally occurring, as far as we can tell. There's no evidence that conscious intervention is needed to get any of it going.


So evolution isn't useful against creationism because it shows how life started; it's useful against creationism because it shows us problems with other parts of most people's creation myths (men being made of dirt and god-breath, all of earth's people and animals dying in a flood a few thousand years ago, snakes not having legs at the supposed time of the Garden of Eden story...the list goes on).


To put it simply, evolution is a fact. There is no legitimate debate between evolutionists and creationists about whether evolution is a real thing. Creationists are desperate to disprove evolution because they think that doing so will add legitimacy to their claims, but in reality even if evolution were overturned tomorrow it still wouldn't get us any closer to establishing that the Universe was created by a god.


Besides, why do you care about the creation vs. evolution argument? I thought you believed in yoga magic. What does that have to do with the creation of the Universe?