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April 19, 2016 at 11:41 am (This post was last modified: April 19, 2016 at 11:42 am by Redbeard The Pink.)
(April 18, 2016 at 11:02 am)Little Rik Wrote: Pinky.
The clown show is over so now stop pretending that you know the real meaning of theory.
Theory come from the Greek θεωρία, meaning ...... looking at, viewing, beholding .........blah blah blah....
Practice on the other hand means put the theory into practice.
If the practice works according to the theory then the theory is correct.
Unfortunately the real meaning has been vandalized so now it could means just everything other than the original meaning.
All those guys that came up with theories did not put theories into practice to see whether they were true or not so these theories stay unsolved and therefore we can say that they are all guessing.
You keep jumping right to the etymology of these words...etymology is not the only source of meaning in language. Yes, etymology is useful for seeing how words relate to each other and how they changed in meaning and pronunciation over time, but the actual definition of the word is what establishes its current meaning.
And that brings us back to "theory." A theory, to a layman like you, is just a hypothesis or guess. In science, the word "theory" is literally the highest form an explanation can take. Theories are not facts; they are made up of literally piles of facts, and the most reasonable available explanation for those facts.
I'm sure we've done this before, but somebody besides you might have a few brain cells, so for their benefit:
Using your "logic," gravity is also "just a theory." The body of knowledge pertaining to facts about gravity and the best explanation for those facts is referred to by scientists as the Theory of Gravity. In fact, we have a MUCH better understanding and larger body of information about what evolution is and how and why it works than we do about Gravity, and yet creationists accept gravity as if it's a fact, even though it's "just a theory."
A theory is literally the highest form of science. You don't prove theories; you prove things so that they can become theories.
Quote:Not at all Pinky.
Even a clown has got consciousness (hard to believe but that is true).
Humans got consciousness, animals too, plants too.
As far as matter is a bit difficult to see consciousness in them but that is something that you will learn at a later stage in your mental development.
Evidence doesn't come easy.
You got to expand your consciousness to see how everything works.
As you feed your body also the universal body need to be fed.
Most atheists have a lot of guessing regarding this issue.
They think that the universe can run itself so there is no need for God to run it.
I never seen so far anything that doesn't need to be fed.
That would lead to starvation.
But the universe doesn't starve.
After billion of years is still very healthy.
You do know the Universe will eventually die, right? Unless we learn something new, as far as we can tell the Universe will eventually expand until the particles lose all their energy and are too far apart to interact (or something like that), and when that happens there will be pretty much nothing going on.
There is no evidence that the Universe requires a god. "I don't see how it could exist without somebody feeding it" is an argument from ignorance...still...
Quote:You never thought about it Pinky, did you?
I think everyone here can tell which one of us thinks about things and which one of us doesn't.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
April 19, 2016 at 1:00 pm (This post was last modified: April 19, 2016 at 1:40 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
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(April 19, 2016 at 10:50 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(April 18, 2016 at 11:57 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: Seriously, can someone explain to this evolutionary biologist... what the fuck is this "Darwin evolution" that Sick Rik keeps rambling on about?
Me rambling on?
Not at all Rock.
All i do is referring to the comments that atheists make abut evolution.
Almost every time i talk about evolution atheists come up with the origin of the species
as the only evolution that they know.
And guess what Rock?
Someone called Darwin came up with this sort of idea.
So please blame these atheists not me.
Because you seem to be a little slow, I'll try to explain this to you in the simplest terms possible:
1) Charles Darwin did not invent the idea of evolution; his grandfather Erasmus Darwin, years before, had done some work/writing in that field, as had many others. The "Modern Synthesis", as we call it, which forms the core of modern evolutionary theory, was not developed until the 1930s, combining the discoveries/insights of several people (including Darwin) into a form that included new genetics and chemistry data that was then becoming available. It has changed little between then and now, except to confirm what the previous Modern Synthesis had established upon the discovery of DNA scanning techniques, as well as fossils scanning equipment that allowed us to see things like feathers on Velociraptor and the other theropods.
2) What Charles Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace co-discovered was Natural Selection, not evolution. NS was just an explanation for how it happened, giving the first practical insight into the process. Darwin discovered it before Wallace, but held off on publishing because he was afraid of the scandal it would cause, and wanted to be sure his book's questions and the answers he gave to those questions would stand up to scrutiny, until Wallace let him know he was about to publish a paper on the same subject... so they co-presented the papers, with Darwin reading first. That's why you think Darwin invented evolution.
3) I am an evolutionary biologist, so I know what evolution is and is not. Literally every member of my field team (there were 30-40 of us, depending on what crews were working on what projects) were Christians, with open displays of Christianity in their offices and on their persons, except for one Hindu and two atheists-- myself and one colleague (with whom I became best friends, but not for that reason). When you can explain to me why all those religious persons had no issue with evolution, why they all agreed with me, you might have a point. Until then, you're just blowing hot air and emoticons out of your ass.
When I ask you "what the fuck is Darwin Evolution", I am actually saying that the fact that you call it that means you have no idea what it is, what it says, or how we came to discover the things we know about biology. If you did, you would use other terms. You're just another simpleton who has only a passing understanding of the subject matters you ridicule.
So much for Enlightenment.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
On a side note... moderators, can someone look into getting rid of that "I'm all ears" emoticon?
I'm fucking sick of looking at it. This moron has ruined it for me.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
April 19, 2016 at 1:43 pm (This post was last modified: April 19, 2016 at 1:45 pm by RozKek.)
(April 19, 2016 at 11:11 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(April 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm)RozKek Wrote: DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON'T use biased sources. We can continue when you provide me some reliable sources.
Also the last 2 paragraphs that you quoted, why does it seem like you're trying to make me encourage pseudoscience? I never said "hopefully you don't avoid pseudoscience". Correct me if I'm wrong but you just cut it to seem like it.
Roooooooooooooooooooz.
You want evidence?
In this case you will have to wait until the day you will leave your body.
That day it all will appear very clear to you.
Or maybe not.
Everything will appear dark.
Or maybe not.
Everything is gone, you are gone.
You will not know that you are gone for ever.
Unfortunately this universe does not provide evidence for anything at all.
The reality is not here.
It can not possibly be in a space in which everything move and change by the second.
The real reality can not be affected by time and space.
It never change but why you worry so much anyway?
Just live your life and see what the future will bring.
You never know.
Well I'm certainly not living my life for batshitcrazy beliefs that aren't supported at all. I can make any claims I want which are unsupported and say "Well unfortunately you'll have to wait until you die, also this universe doesn't provide evidence for anything at all". Which yet again is also an unsupported belief (how would even test that anyway?) So you've failed quite big in convincing me or providing good and well supported information, arguments, evidence etc.
Also, your reply just showed that you actually do not have any evidence for your beliefs. And you contradict yourself by earlier claiming that we need more experiments to form a conclusion on NDEs and now you go ahead and say that this universe cannot provide evidence for anything at all. You're irrational, I cannot have a debate with one who is irrational.
Little Rik Wrote:That is bizarre Roz. In the past i did produce a number of studies only to be told that i really should take in serious consideration the biggest study ever carried out by the best expert in the field Dr. Parnia. Guess what Roz. I did read Dr. Parnia report and guess what? He conclude that there is no evidence for or against NDEs and more study is needed to find out the truth. <bolded by RozKek> So if the so called expert say no or yes how the hell mr. Roz can pop up and say no?
The best part is you'll just forget this debate and keep on living your life on your irrational beliefs despite being shown that you were not right. And let me guess, as a finisher you'll leave a shitty poem with bad grammar.
(April 19, 2016 at 1:02 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: On a side note... moderators, can someone look into getting rid of that "I'm all ears" emoticon?
I'm fucking sick of looking at it. This moron has ruined it for me.
We're all ears.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(April 19, 2016 at 1:00 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:
(April 19, 2016 at 10:50 am)Little Rik Wrote:
Me rambling on?
Not at all Rock.
All i do is referring to the comments that atheists make abut evolution.
Almost every time i talk about evolution atheists come up with the origin of the species
as the only evolution that they know.
And guess what Rock?
Someone called Darwin came up with this sort of idea.
So please blame these atheists not me. :
Because you seem to be a little slow, I'll try to explain this to you in the simplest terms possible:
1) Charles Darwin did not invent the idea of evolution; his grandfather Erasmus Darwin, years before, had done some work/writing in that field, as had many others. The "Modern Synthesis", as we call it, which forms the core of modern evolutionary theory, was not developed until the 1930s, combining the discoveries/insights of several people (including Darwin) into a form that included new genetics and chemistry data that was then becoming available. It has changed little between then and now, except to confirm what the previous Modern Synthesis had established upon the discovery of DNA scanning techniques, as well as fossils scanning equipment that allowed us to see things like feathers on Velociraptor and the other theropods.
2) What Charles Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace co-discovered was Natural Selection, not evolution. NS was just an explanation for how it happened, giving the first practical insight into the process. Darwin discovered it before Wallace, but held off on publishing because he was afraid of the scandal it would cause, and wanted to be sure his book's questions and the answers he gave to those questions would stand up to scrutiny, until Wallace let him know he was about to publish a paper on the same subject... so they co-presented the papers, with Darwin reading first. That's why you think Darwin invented evolution.
3) I am an evolutionary biologist, so I know what evolution is and is not. Literally every member of my field team (there were 30-40 of us, depending on what crews were working on what projects) were Christians, with open displays of Christianity in their offices and on their persons, except for one Hindu and two atheists-- myself and one colleague (with whom I became best friends, but not for that reason). When you can explain to me why all those religious persons had no issue with evolution, why they all agreed with me, you might have a point.
Until then, you're just blowing hot air and emoticons out of your ass.
When I ask you "what the fuck is Darwin Evolution", I am actually saying that the fact that you call it that means you have no idea what it is, what it says, or how we came to discover the things we know about biology. If you did, you would use other terms. You're just another simpleton who has only a passing understanding of the subject matters you ridicule.
So much for Enlightenment.
oh that was PERFECT "blowing hot air and emoticons out of your ass" Rocket, I wish I could give multiple kudos for that one. Bravo. (The rest of the explanation was good too.)
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
You want evidence?
In this case you will have to wait until the day you will leave your body.
That day it all will appear very clear to you.
Or maybe not.
Everything will appear dark.
Or maybe not.
Everything is gone, you are gone.
You will not know that you are gone for ever.
Unfortunately this universe does not provide evidence for anything at all.
The reality is not here.
It can not possibly be in a space in which everything move and change by the second.
The real reality can not be affected by time and space.
It never change but why you worry so much anyway?
Just live your life and see what the future will bring.
You never know. :
Well I'm certainly not living my life for batshitcrazy beliefs that aren't supported at all.
Quote:I can make any claims I want which are unsupported and say "Well unfortunately you'll have to wait until you die, also this universe doesn't provide evidence for anything at all". Which yet again is also an unsupported belief (how would even test that anyway?) So you've failed quite big in convincing me or providing good and well supported information, arguments, evidence etc.
Also, your reply just showed that you actually do not have any evidence for your beliefs. And you contradict yourself by earlier claiming that we need more experiments to form a conclusion on NDEs and now you go ahead and say that this universe cannot provide evidence for anything at all. You're irrational, I cannot have a debate with one who is irrational.
Little Rik Wrote:
That is bizarre Roz. In the past i did produce a number of studies only to be told that i really should take in serious consideration the biggest study ever carried out by the best expert in the field Dr. Parnia. Guess what Roz. I did read Dr. Parnia report and guess what? He conclude that there is no evidence for or against NDEs and more study is needed to find out the truth. <bolded by RozKek> So if the so called expert say no or yes how the hell mr. Roz can pop up and say no?
The best part is you'll just forget this debate and keep on living your life on your irrational beliefs despite being shown that you were not right. And let me guess, as a finisher you'll leave a shitty poem with bad grammar.
THIS. ABSOLUTELY. I absolutely agree. Brilliant, Roz.
He's going to be surprised when he meets the FSM after he kicks the bucket. But fortunately, the FSM is all-forgiving, and will educate him on the truth.
Proof? Of COURSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!! Not in this life and this universe. That's silly. It's true because I'm enlightened and I said so.
Poor thing, he just lacks the capacity to understand.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
April 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm (This post was last modified: April 19, 2016 at 2:57 pm by RozKek.)
(April 19, 2016 at 2:26 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(April 19, 2016 at 1:43 pm)RozKek Wrote:
Well I'm certainly not living my life for batshitcrazy beliefs that aren't supported at all.
Also, your reply just showed that you actually do not have any evidence for your beliefs. And you contradict yourself by earlier claiming that we need more experiments to form a conclusion on NDEs and now you go ahead and say that this universe cannot provide evidence for anything at all. You're irrational, I cannot have a debate with one who is irrational.
The best part is you'll just forget this debate and keep on living your life on your irrational beliefs despite being shown that you were not right. And let me guess, as a finisher you'll leave a shitty poem with bad grammar.
THIS. ABSOLUTELY. I absolutely agree. Brilliant, Roz.
He's going to be surprised when he meets the FSM after he kicks the bucket. But fortunately, the FSM is all-forgiving, and will educate him on the truth.
Proof? Of COURSE THERE IS NO PROOF!!! Not in this life and this universe. That's silly. It's true because I'm enlightened and I said so.
Poor thing, he just lacks the capacity to understand.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
"blowing hot air and emoticons out of your ass" 
Rocket, I wish I could give multiple kudos for that one. Bravo. (The rest of the explanation was good too.)
