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Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
(March 26, 2016 at 2:25 am)maestroanth Wrote:
(March 20, 2016 at 7:10 pm)IATIA Wrote: Birds?  Whales?

They can't name notes......

Do we know that for a fact?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
yes. "science" is not a "thing". so it can't debate anybody.  What we need is rational atheist and rational theist to say it is ok to believe god did it through evolution.  As an atheist, I say, I don't believe in your god, but if he's there he did it through evolution.  The debate point becomes "god" again and not evolution.  But only the top 15%ers would understand that. and the other 85% think we are odd. As a point of fact the numbers say they are correct. 
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
Evolution vs creationism debates are very important! We may all know that evolution is right, but we do need to know why it is right. The best way to learn about that is to hear someone challenge it. Most of us don't want to be believing in things without knowing why those things are true. I know that some theists showed up to watch Ham wipe the floor with Nye, and left shaken, and at some point I'm going to be that theist. Not with evolution, but maybe with something else I believed to be true. Putting beliefs through the test is fun, and at the very least it's entertaining and informative to know why I'm right.

Being right and not knowing why is about as useful as being wrong.
Meandering Atheist: Several friends on a journey of romance and adventure, to talk about moderately interesting topics.
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
(March 27, 2016 at 7:38 pm)Meandering Atheist -J- Wrote: Evolution vs creationism debates are very important! We may all know that evolution is right, but we do need to know why it is right. The best way to learn about that is to hear someone challenge it. Most of us don't want to be believing in things without knowing why those things are true. I know that some theists showed up to watch Ham wipe the floor with Nye, and left shaken, and at some point I'm going to be that theist. Not with evolution, but maybe with something else I believed to be true. Putting beliefs through the test is fun, and at the very least it's entertaining and informative to know why I'm right.

Being right and not knowing why is about as useful as being wrong.

(bold mine)

Hahahahahahaha! Who was "left shaken" by that "debate"?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
(March 27, 2016 at 9:27 pm)The_Empress Wrote: (bold mine)

Hahahahahahaha! Who was "left shaken" by that "debate"?

I think you overestimate how much people know about evolution and creationism. I know of people (adult people) who when asked if they believe in evolution respond "I don't know - I just haven't thought about it I guess." There are plenty of people who's first experience outside of their echo-chamber was that debate, and I'm sure some of them now have doubts.
Meandering Atheist: Several friends on a journey of romance and adventure, to talk about moderately interesting topics.
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RE: Aren't Science vs. Creation Debates......rather pointless?
(March 21, 2016 at 2:20 am)robvalue Wrote:
(March 20, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Alex K Wrote: The Nye-Ham debate might have exposed some kids there for the first time to a straight representation of how evolution works and what it is.

To me, this is the benefit of debates. The audience at home can think about what's being said, learn some things, and maybe be brought round to a more rational way of thinking. This is the intended target.

If you remove that audience, for example in a private debate with an entrenched theist, there is probably no point at all.

I'll give you that but it doesn't get at what I dislike about debate.  Too often it seems an exercise in sophistry where blowing smoke is esteemed as highly as useful analysis so long as it plays to the crowd.  Just give me an honest conversation any day.
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