His throne is on water..stunning scientific theory that the Quran foretold 1400 y ago

[FebruaryOfReason]

Why doesn't Allah just send us an unambiguous sign that must be from him and can be from nowhere else?

Because there is no allah.

DUDE!
That's like saying there's no Santa Claus!

And spell his name with a capital "A" can't you? It's a real name, like Dave or Florence. Allah has feelings. Hes just a flesh anf blood like all of us, allahdammit!

God it's hard to type when you're this drunk

[Minimalist]

Fuck him.

[FebruaryOfReason]

Fuck him.

I'm in a very suggestible state right now, Minimalist. Please don't make me do thing's I'll regret in the morning.

Do I have to be the top or the bottom?

[WinterHold]

So if the super fluid hypothesis turns out to be wrong, you'll admit the Koran is fundamentally flawed and Allah was not the prophet of god?

I need more to disbelieve in the whole religion. I will hate myself and ask for forgivness though, for projecting the verses of God on mere theories without making sure first.

Esqulax

You're right.
I projected the verse on the theory; and that was before I validate such theory.

But to correct you: water in ancient Arabic is not "H2O" only, it refers to any liquid. You can see an example in the Quran itself; semen is referred to as "water".
Why go so far; in English itself, it's so common to refer to a liquid with the term "water"; doesn't "her water broke" ring any bell?

So I'm deeply sorry but no. The water in the verse can refer to liquid so easily, it makes sense even more, saying otherwise makes me wonder about who is debating based on a pre-determined opinion.

To be honest, you didn't answer this: how did Mohammed predict this? what made him say that the universe is drenched in water -which we know it can mean liquid and mostly: it is-? wouldn't it be more and more safe and believable, to say that the universe is drenched in air??

Again I remind you: in ancient Arabic, semen is refered to with "man's water; literally". There's a sickness hitting the eye and cause blindness, called "white water". Acid is called in modern egyptian arabic "fire's water موية نار" -we have an egyptian member who can validate this-. The odds are against your argument.

simon moon

The Quran spoke a lot about ancient prophets asked to reveal the faith and take people from darkness to the light; God spoke about them being sent since the dawn of time, and also spoke about how they were mostly rejected, or the people taking their message, twist it, and sell the forged faith under a different name.

Can't you see the pattern? in every religion -heathen or otherwise-, there's a God -Zeus for example-?, mini-Gods/Angles, Demons/Titans, It's always the same hierarchy.

I totally believe that the Hindu, Buddhist, Native American beliefs were all religions of God, revealed by prophets, then twisted and forged through humans.

Stimbo

Actually they were in the Muslim world, as far as I know, there are Hadiths speaking about this.
But never was science this strong; in an old source, the famous Quran interpreter -Ibn Katheer-, says "it is on the water, but we don't ask how".

Quoting him again:
قال ابن كثير رحمه الله: وقال الأعمش عن المنهال بن عمرو عن سعيد بن جبير قال: سئل ابن عباس عن قول الله تعالى: وَكَانَ عَرْشُهُ عَلَى الْمَاءِ على أي شيء كان الماء؟ قال: على متن الريح. ا.هـ

والله أعلم.

Translated roughly to: "Ibn Katheer -God had mercy on him- said, so did Al A'amash through Al-Menhal the son of Amro through Saeed Ibn Jubair, said: Ibn Abbas was asked about what God said: "and his throne was atop of water", upon what was the water? he said: on top of the wind-wind=air,void, space,...-.

You can see, they technically had no idea what this means..

The Atheist

Calm down..
You remind me with an Islamic Shia imaginary Imam called "Al Mehdi", who would dig the graves of a person called "Abo Bakr" in the end times, and hang him from a tree..

LadyForCamus

I can't believe the atheists here either..the Quran has so many truths and fact, leave this topic aside, even the big bang is literally mentioned, and how the moon got its holes.

Chadwooters

It will prove me wrong..and I'll be in serious trouble.
God's word must prove itself in front of any reality check.

Alex K

Ah, I would go with the meaning of water being a liquid. Arabic has so many examples, English too.

Paulablo

But water in Arabic doesn't mean H2O at all times !
As I mentioned to others above, semen is a famous example, being called "man's water" or as the Quran literally called it "degrading water".

robvalue

You believe I'm crazy, rob, but that's fine. Only time will tell.
The world being a fluid makes more sense: the stream of time like waves, race to shore. It's always moving forward, always. No hand break, no stop.

TubbyTubby

And here I thought, the spelling criticism became and old fashion ><
Ya know, I'm an Arab   English is a foreign language to me, so I try my best, but some words escape my brain wrongly.  And guess what: I only talked to one foreigner for an extended period in my whole life, he was British and I always used to pronounce "tourist" wrongly, like "tawrist", he keeps correcting me and say "tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorist"...

I dare you to spell ما بلاش يا سوسو !!

Mathilda

Its content proves it.

FebruaryOfReason

It usually doesn't matter, because if a person don't want believe, they won't even if they saw all the signs.
You can take modern society, and how they saw many signs in the cosmos, yet didn't shed a single tear.

MrNoMorePropaganda

The throne isn't sinking; it's atop of the water.
IDK about the dailymail's direction of thought, to be honest I rarely visit their site -or probably once or twice a year or something..-

[Jenny A]

So if the super fluid hypothesis turns out to be wrong, you'll admit the Koran is fundamentally flawed and Allah was not the prophet of god?

I need more to disbelieve in the whole religion. I will hate myself and ask for forgivness though, for projecting the verses of God on mere theories without making sure first.

Then you have a logical problem. If the verse describing super fluid provides stunning proof of the divine inspiration of the Koran because the Koran predicted a scientific finding hundreds of years in advance, than it's describing a the failed hypothesis must be proof it's not being divinely inspired. The only way out of the dilemma is to admit the truth, which is that it doesn't really describe super fluid or at the very least doesn't describe it well enough to be evidence of anything.

[Esquilax]

Esqulax

You're right.
I projected the verse on the theory; and that was before I validate such theory.

So, I mean... we're kinda done here then, yes?

But to correct you: water in ancient Arabic is not "H2O" only, it refers to any liquid. You can see an example in the Quran itself; semen is referred to as "water".

So, just to clarify: you'll take any overlap between the Quran and modern knowledge as prophetic, but in those cases in which the Quran's statements are contradicted by later knowledge, there's no problem? That which agrees with the Quran is evidence, but we're just supposed to ignore the reverse? Why is that?

To be honest, you didn't answer this: how did Mohammed predict this? what made him say that the universe is drenched in water -which we know it can mean liquid and mostly: it is-? wouldn't it be more and more safe and believable, to say that the universe is drenched in air??

There's nothing to answer: you've merely assumed a prediction without demonstrating that it is, based on a science article that we've already agreed is in no way confirmed as truthful. See, "these things can be contorted to match!" does not mean that the one predicted the other; it just means that poetic, figurative language can occasionally be twisted to overlap with reality. You'll actually have to demonstrate that A: the Quran is talking about this specific phenomenon, B: that the phenomenon is actually true, and C: this is a divinely inspired prediction, rather than a lucky guess. You're skipping a whole lot of steps before you can call this a prediction.

[Redbeard The Pink]

The fuck?


Sooo...does that mean that the Torah is also prophesying this theory when it talks about God moving over the waters before Earth was created? Do you accept the Torah as a book of prophesy?


Also, considering that both the Torah and the Bible reference this idea of the Heavens and Earth being founded upon "the waters," and considering that Muhammad was basing his religion on the Abrahamic god, what exactly is so astonishing about seeing the same language in the Koran? Why is it so inconceivable to you that he would have taught such a thing?

[ignoramus]

God of the gaps is finding new and creative ways to hide me thinks...

Them cracks are getting very thin and far between.

[robvalue]

I don't think your crazy. I do think you are willfully submerging yourself in fantasy, and clinging to anything that might reinforce it, however obscure. I think you are using it as escapism. I totally understand this, reality is harsh and we all need to find ways to cope. I regularly use escapism in all kinds of ways.

All theists are involved in some level of fantasy, but I'm worried about how far you are going. Worried for you, that is. But maybe this doesn't actually affect your life in any serious way, it's impossible for me to tell.

[Alex K]

Once again, God could have made this unambiguous.

And ye shall find that that which thou callest length and measureth distance in north and south and east and west and high and low, and also time, jointly curveth under the weight of the world, which lendeth gravity to all things. But lo, ye shall look closer and find that this fabric of the world behaveth strangely, for it behaveth somewhat like helium 3 at low temperatures, when there is a phase transition, and correlation lengths become infinite like the wisdom of Allah. For I have spoken. Amen

There, was that so hard?