Feminism: why am I supposed to worship women's feet again?

[Mystic]

Also bring one verse, where it emphasizes to women to treat men kindly. One. It seems God is a feminist since it told men to treat women kindly but never told women to treat men kindly? Surely God knows that yes some men are treated not kindly by women, does he not?

[Excited Penguin]

I meant care in a different sense, but you know that, I think, you're just playing dumb.

I meant religion in a different sense, but you know that, I think, you're just playing dumb.

If you're trying to say you meant do I consider you an antitheist just because you are concerned with the dangers presented by religion, then yes, I would, but that is definitely not the impression I get from your statement. So please elaborate.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Feminism is an attempt to level the playing field because, by nearly every possible measure, women are not treated as well as men in our society. Feminism is, succinctly put, "...the radical notion that women are people." So by your description, above, you're a feminist.

*my bold*

Not trying to be a dick, but I hate it when people do this. 

He may agree with "the radical notion that women are people" and have views similar with some feminists but shared ideals don't make him, or anyone for that matter, a feminist. It's kind of a conscientious decision to put yourself under that umbrella.

Oh I wasn't meaning to imply he actually considers women his equals, or is in any traditional sense a feminist. I was simply pointing out that his basic position was a statement of actual feminism, after which he proceeds to build a straw-man (or woman, I suppose?) based out of the most radical versions he could find to point to...

...which is, ironically, exactly what he complains about when people do to Muslims.

I spend a shockingly huge part of my (limited) time on Facebook, arguing with conservative friends about why they can't point to radical examples of violent Islam, such as bombs exploding in crowds, and then say "Well Muslims do thus...".

For a person like Atlas to see it so clearly in his own religion, but then make the identical mistake with regard to feminists, is sad-yet-hilarious. Generalizing from the most radical examples you can find is a straw-man argument. I have read much of the literature to which he points, and I can agree that many are more radical than I can support in any way-- but the average feminist, just like the average Muslim, is nothing like what the bigots depict.

In other words, it was my way of shocking him into realizing what he was doing. (After all, he is closer to the average feminist than the straw-men he's describing.) Apparently, I failed. It was very late.

[Catholic_Lady]

Personally, I discovered that I have a scent fetish..smelling women makes me horny, very very horny, armpits and feet and bellybuttons -nasty; eh?-, smothering...etc. Like getting my face crushed by a strong, confident woman's ass, smelling her anus's scent, spending hours under the warmth of her feet, savor the lips and taste the bellybutton, then end up sucking the toes..to get dominated, by older, stronger, confident women.

But that I wish for and lust for, out of sexual will. It only lasts for the session, only lasts for the night in bed. It never extends to become a moral code that is right, never does it become even close from being chosen as a healthy lifestyle that should be done all the time.

Women are just like men: creatures. They commit crimes, they do bad things, they kill, they rape, they rob, they bully, and certainly: they sin..
As women got abused throghout history, men were also abused and discriminated against, for tyranny; gender is obsolete: it doesn't matter that much. Tyranny never tells the difference.

But let's come to feminism, and discuss the stream of thought that tries to make me suck toes even in coffee breaks; demanding me to cut my private parts and become a slave, a literal slave, serving the female superior race..Feminism is a religion, and it appoints women as idols to be worshiped, making them a protected entity that is above everything including the law..

It's understandable for women to slap men. But it is never understandable -by feminist standards- for men to return the favor..I'm not speaking about domistic abuse..
I'm speaking about "Stop treating women as children" and begin to "treat them as mature humans".

You shouldn't slap "people". not "women".

Feminism is nasty.

I don't really understand what the connection is between your fetish and feminism?

In Christianity (and I assume mainstream Islam), it's not sinful to be kinky in the bedroom so long as your sexual partner is your spouse and everything is done with full consent and respect. 

Anyway, of course I think a woman hitting a man is also very very wrong, but I think a man hitting a woman is more wrong because men were given stronger/bigger physical bodies and they should use that God given strength to protect those who are weaker, not hurt them. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. Hitting anyone is ugly. But hitting someone who is smaller and weaker than you, is uglier. Especially if you were specifically given that strength in order to protect them.

[robvalue]

I find the term "feminism" to be redundant, at least within my own beliefs.

I want things to be as fair as possible, for everybody. I don't feel the need to highlight specific subgroups. Everybody.

Whatever issues face particular sub-groups, I'm concerned about them and I want them resolved, ideally.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Personally, I discovered that I have a scent fetish..smelling women makes me horny, very very horny, armpits and feet and bellybuttons -nasty; eh?-, smothering...etc. Like getting my face crushed by a strong, confident woman's ass, smelling her anus's scent, spending hours under the warmth of her feet, savor the lips and taste the bellybutton, then end up sucking the toes..to get dominated, by older, stronger, confident women.

But that I wish for and lust for, out of sexual will. It only lasts for the session, only lasts for the night in bed. It never extends to become a moral code that is right, never does it become even close from being chosen as a healthy lifestyle that should be done all the time.

Women are just like men: creatures. They commit crimes, they do bad things, they kill, they rape, they rob, they bully, and certainly: they sin..
As women got abused throghout history, men were also abused and discriminated against, for tyranny; gender is obsolete: it doesn't matter that much. Tyranny never tells the difference.

But let's come to feminism, and discuss the stream of thought that tries to make me suck toes even in coffee breaks; demanding me to cut my private parts and become a slave, a literal slave, serving the female superior race..Feminism is a religion, and it appoints women as idols to be worshiped, making them a protected entity that is above everything including the law..

It's understandable for women to slap men. But it is never understandable -by feminist standards- for men to return the favor..I'm not speaking about domistic abuse..
I'm speaking about "Stop treating women as children" and begin to "treat them as mature humans".

You shouldn't slap "people". not "women".

Feminism is nasty.

I don't really understand what the connection is between your fetish and feminism?

In Christianity (and I assume mainstream Islam), it's not sinful to be kinky in the bedroom so long as your sexual partner is your spouse and everything is done with full consent and respect. 

Anyway, of course I think a woman hitting a man is also very very wrong, but I think a man hitting a woman is more wrong because men were given stronger/bigger physical bodies and they should use that God given strength to protect those who are weaker, not hurt them. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. Hitting anyone is ugly. But hitting someone who is smaller and weaker than you, is uglier. Especially if you were specifically given that strength in order to protect them.

Firstly, There is no less wrong or more wrong when it comes to physical abuse.
Secondly, you need to stop portraying women as weaklings.
Finally, I'm quite physically strong but I take issue with someone telling me that all women are entitled to my protection just because I'm strong.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't really understand what the connection is between your fetish and feminism?

In Christianity (and I assume mainstream Islam), it's not sinful to be kinky in the bedroom so long as your sexual partner is your spouse and everything is done with full consent and respect. 

Anyway, of course I think a woman hitting a man is also very very wrong, but I think a man hitting a woman is more wrong because men were given stronger/bigger physical bodies and they should use that God given strength to protect those who are weaker, not hurt them. With great power comes great responsibility and all that. Hitting anyone is ugly. But hitting someone who is smaller and weaker than you, is uglier. Especially if you were specifically given that strength in order to protect them.

Firstly, There is no less wrong or more wrong when it comes to physical abuse.
Secondly, you need to stop portraying women as weaklings.
Finally, I'm quite physically strong but I take issue with someone telling me that all women are entitled to my protection just because I'm strong.

1. If all physical abuse is "equally wrong," would you say a wife punching her husband is just as awful as a mother punching her baby?

2. I'm not portraying women as weaklings, I'm saying men are generally bigger and stronger than women, physically. Which is a fact.

3. Ok.

[Aoi Magi]

Firstly, There is no less wrong or more wrong when it comes to physical abuse.
Secondly, you need to stop portraying women as weaklings.
Finally, I'm quite physically strong but I take issue with someone telling me that all women are entitled to my protection just because I'm strong.

1. If all physical abuse is "equally wrong," would you say a wife punching her husband is just as awful as a mother punching her baby?

2. I'm not portraying women as weaklings, I'm saying men are generally bigger and stronger than women, physically. Which is a fact.

3. Ok.

Ermm a mom punching a baby is much worse by all measures.

Anyway, I don't like the term feminist because to most people it seems to signify just women's rights and I don't blame them because the most outspoken and popular feminists are also the stupid ones who ignore gender equality.

Though equality is tough word. Men and women are indeed different and have evolved to be adept at different roles in society. I think if instead of feminism, if people stick to humanism that should be enough to achieve that hard sought gender equality without all the confusion.

[Catholic_Lady]

1. If all physical abuse is "equally wrong," would you say a wife punching her husband is just as awful as a mother punching her baby?

2. I'm not portraying women as weaklings, I'm saying men are generally bigger and stronger than women, physically. Which is a fact.

3. Ok.

Ermm a mom punching a baby is much worse by all measures.

Anyway, I don't like the term feminist because to most people it seems to signify just women's rights and I don't blame them because the most outspoken and popular feminists are also the stupid ones who ignore gender equality.

Though equality is tough word. Men and women are indeed different and have evolved to be adept at different roles in society. I think if instead of feminism, if people stick to humanism that should be enough to achieve that hard sought gender equality without all the confusion.

I agree with all this.

[Cecelia]

Violence should never be the answer to anything. Male on Female Violence tends to get more attention because generally speaking, men are stronger than women. (If I hit a man, he's probably barely going to feel it. Though I've never hit a man. My sister on the other hand, could probably kick your average guy's ass. She never has either, but if she did I'm sure that men would probably ridicule him for being beat up by a girl as much as a woman would, even though she's a kickboxer who knows Jiu Jitsu and Taekwondo) And when someone stronger initiates violence against someone weaker, then it's perceived as far worse. This is in part because people have accepted violence as an answer.

I absolutely identify as a Feminist. Yes, there are radicals. There's radicals in pretty much every ideology. There's prominent atheists who've said things that not only do i not like, but that I would not tolerate if ever said to my face. Radicals do not define an ideology. People tend to only let radicals identify an ideology for an ideology they already disagree with. Imagine if we assocaited all muslims with radical muslims. Or all Christians with Radical Christians.

People have somehow got this idea that being a Feminist means you can't care about men's rights. That's ridiculous. Yes, I advocate for Paid Maternity leave. Because as a mother, I know recuperating from giving birth takes a lot of time. guess what? I think men should get paid paternity leave too. In fact I think men should get an equal amount of time, even though they don't have to recuperate like women do. They still need to bond with their child just as much as a mother does. Somehow this surprises some people. Mostly idiots who don't get that being a feminist doesn't mean you're a man hater. Because they've let radicals define the ideology, because it's easier for them that way.

When you have people saying that "Feminists are just ugly women who can't get a date", people who accuse women of being on their period (a biological function) and leaders who suggest that women have a way of shutting the whole thing down, or that some women are easy to rape or that what they're wearing was why they were raped... those are problems that need to be dealt with. (The last one should have you men's rights activists fighting against it too, since it's misandry to suggest that men are animals who have no control over themselves.) you have a problem with how women are viewed.

Feminism isn't perfect. But nothing is. You might as well not identify as anything if you're expecting perfection.