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May 2, 2016 at 8:54 am
(April 29, 2016 at 10:39 am)Faith No More Wrote: (April 28, 2016 at 7:08 am)SteveII Wrote: You have no reason to think that whatsoever. Don't confuse metaphysics with physics.
I'm not thinking anything. I'm showing that you're applying principles in an inappropriate matter. Cause and effect does not apply when time does not exist, period.
And unfortunately for you, metaphysics is entirely reliant upon what physics says is possible. Stop abusing philosophy to try to make it conform to your desires.
Why?
That is not what metaphysics is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics
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May 2, 2016 at 9:06 pm
(May 2, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Time Traveler Wrote: And you still have not addressed my question, "when exactly in the past prior to creating the universe did God decide to exist timelessly?"
Oh, let me answer! "God" existed timelessly from the beginning, but decided to become temporal and decided to create the Universe, created the Universe and had the Universe come into being all at the same time! (Whew!)
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May 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm
(May 2, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Time Traveler Wrote: And you still have not addressed my question, "when exactly in the past prior to creating the universe did God decide to exist timelessly?"
God existed timelessly and changeless causally prior to the universe. Atemporal. There was no stream of consciousness or successive chains of thoughts. He knew all truths intrinsically.
Depending on your preference between A and B theories of time, you can view God's temporality and the creation of the universe in one of two ways:
On the A theory, once God created space-time, God underwent an extrinsic change with the new relationship to his creation and in doing so became temporal. On the B theory, you could conclude that God did not undergo any temporal change (neither intrinsic nor extrinsic) and exists outside the block of time.
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May 3, 2016 at 5:07 pm
(May 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: (May 2, 2016 at 5:56 pm)Time Traveler Wrote: And you still have not addressed my question, "when exactly in the past prior to creating the universe did God decide to exist timelessly?"
God existed timelessly and changeless causally prior to the universe. Atemporal. There was no stream of consciousness or successive chains of thoughts. He knew all truths intrinsically.
Depending on your preference between A and B theories of time, you can view God's temporality and the creation of the universe in one of two ways:
On the A theory, once God created space-time, God underwent an extrinsic change with the new relationship to his creation and in doing so became temporal. On the B theory, you could conclude that God did not undergo any temporal change (neither intrinsic nor extrinsic) and exists outside the block of time.
And how do you know all that?
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May 3, 2016 at 5:24 pm
(May 3, 2016 at 5:07 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: (May 3, 2016 at 5:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: God existed timelessly and changeless causally prior to the universe. Atemporal. There was no stream of consciousness or successive chains of thoughts. He knew all truths intrinsically.
Depending on your preference between A and B theories of time, you can view God's temporality and the creation of the universe in one of two ways:
On the A theory, once God created space-time, God underwent an extrinsic change with the new relationship to his creation and in doing so became temporal. On the B theory, you could conclude that God did not undergo any temporal change (neither intrinsic nor extrinsic) and exists outside the block of time.
And how do you know all that?
inductive reasoning
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May 3, 2016 at 5:32 pm
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(May 3, 2016 at 5:24 pm)SteveII Wrote: (May 3, 2016 at 5:07 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: And how do you know all that?
inductive reasoning
Inductive reasoning grounded in a claim to certainty regarding the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, spaceless, timeless, invisible, immaterial supernatural entity that exists outside of existence and authored the laws of physics and personally crafted every individual atom in the universe all for the purpose of telling primates not to masturbate.
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May 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm
(May 3, 2016 at 5:32 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: (May 3, 2016 at 5:24 pm)SteveII Wrote: inductive reasoning
Inductive reasoning grounded in a claim to certainty regarding the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, spaceless, timeless, invisible, immaterial supernatural entity that exists outside of existence and authored the laws of physics and crafted every individual particle.
No, inductive reasoning resulting from a study of natural theology.
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May 3, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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(May 3, 2016 at 5:35 pm)SteveII Wrote: (May 3, 2016 at 5:32 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Inductive reasoning grounded in a claim to certainty regarding the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, spaceless, timeless, invisible, immaterial supernatural entity that exists outside of existence and authored the laws of physics and crafted every individual particle.
No, inductive reasoning resulting from presupposing the validity of natural theology.
Fixed.
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