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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 5, 2016 at 9:37 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2016 at 9:37 pm by Shining_Finger.)
Am I seriously going to argue Devil's Advocate Style?
Then I guess I shall.
Using MarriageEquality.org
I am not kidding.
http://www.marriageequality.org/religious_vs_civil
"Even after civil marriage becomes available to all same-sex couples in all 50 states, religions will retain the right to decide for themselves whether to perform or recognize any marriage, just as they already do. No court decision or legislative enactment can change the basic tenets of religious faith. For example, some religions will not marry someone who has already been divorced, although the person is free to marry civilly. We respect the right of each faith to decide which marriages it will perform and embrace."
Given that this same logic extends to Interracial Marriage, because the Government doesn't have the right to interpret any religious laws.
Like the Lich named Dritch says, you are going to have to take this up with the Government.
And Dritch?
Make better arguments, you just look like an asshole otherwise.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 5, 2016 at 9:40 pm
Pssst...
*Moses' wife was black*
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 5, 2016 at 11:19 pm
I wish they bring these religious laws in and quickly.
You see, I'm a devout believer of my own custom modified religion which states very unambiguously that I cannot pay any taxes whatsoever! Taxes are the work of the devil!
That's not me talking, but who am I to go against the good book (that I haven't finished writing yet).
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 12:01 am
My friend has a deeply held religious belief that she shouldn't wear clothes. She doesn't get to go out in public without wearing clothes though. Can she claim discrimination? Or is that just reserved for the Christians?
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 2:11 am
I have a deeply held religious beleif that I can flay and consume the flesh of the Christian of my choosing.
Hey, this religious freedom stuff is fun.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am
(April 5, 2016 at 12:39 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 12:32 pm)Drich Wrote: So... in your opinion, Congress Shall make and enforce laws that apply to the establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof?
No, congress makes and enforces rules that prevent discrimination, or should. The moment your religion starts to affect other people it ceases to be a private thing and must take into account the rights of the other people. Holding a religious belief is not an excuse to act like a dick, its a reason but not an excuse.
So, then yes. Congress should make rules that restrict the religious beliefs of people.
Hmm. If only their were an amendment baring congress from doing that very thing.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 9:56 am
(April 5, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 12:32 pm)Drich Wrote: So... in your opinion, Congress Shall make and enforce laws that apply to the establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof?
Some racist douchebag saying, "It's a big problem with the members of my church, my community, and my mother-in-law" is hardly making a cogent free exercise argument. He's just hiding his bigotry behind others (including, later, the neighbors) like the bullying coward he appears to be. He's in violation of the law and doesn't have a 1st Amendment leg to stand on. So now you want to violate free speech as well?
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 11:40 am
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(April 6, 2016 at 9:56 am)Drich Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 12:48 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Some racist douchebag saying, "It's a big problem with the members of my church, my community, and my mother-in-law" is hardly making a cogent free exercise argument. He's just hiding his bigotry behind others (including, later, the neighbors) like the bullying coward he appears to be. He's in violation of the law and doesn't have a 1st Amendment leg to stand on. So now you want to violate free speech as well?
What a shockingly thick-headed response! How did you decide this is in any way about free speech or that I'm interested in limiting others' speech rights?
What next? Because I referred to the 1st Amendment, I'm also in favor of limiting freedom of assembly and a free press? Christ, Drich, I really didn't think I needed to spell out that I had the free exercise clause in mind.
I'll type slower next time.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 11:52 am
(April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am)Drich Wrote: (April 5, 2016 at 12:39 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: No, congress makes and enforces rules that prevent discrimination, or should. The moment your religion starts to affect other people it ceases to be a private thing and must take into account the rights of the other people. Holding a religious belief is not an excuse to act like a dick, its a reason but not an excuse.
So, then yes. Congress should make rules that restrict the religious beliefs of people.
Hmm. If only their were an amendment baring congress from doing that very thing.
No, they want to stop religious people behaving in a way that is not considered correct for the society now. For example if my religious belief is that I should cut the still beating heart of a human and display the corpse the state be able stop to that. If you agree then you are restricting the religious rights of an Aztec priest, shame on you.
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RE: Racism is alive and kicking in Mississippi church
April 6, 2016 at 11:57 am
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(April 6, 2016 at 11:52 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am)Drich Wrote: So, then yes. Congress should make rules that restrict the religious beliefs of people.
Hmm. If only their were an amendment baring congress from doing that very thing.
No, they want to stop religious people behaving in a way that is not considered correct for the society now. For example if my religious belief is that I should cut the still beating heart of a human and display the corpse the state be able stop to that. If you agree then you are restricting the religious rights of an Aztec priest, shame on you.
[Drich]: Blah, blah, blah . . . pop morality . . . blah, blah, blah . . . cultural and moral relativists . . . blah, blah, blah . . . unchanging standard of righteousness . . . blah, blah, blah . . . *grunts* me not understand difference between a constitutionally protected belief and an illegal action . . . *high pitched brain fart*
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