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Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 6:21 pm
I always thought Elohim and Yahweh were just two different names for the same god, but according to the bible they are two entirely different gods.
In Exodus 33:20:21 god tells Moses that no man can see his face and live. According to the interlinear bible the god here is Yahweh.
But in Exodus 24:9-11 74 men go up and see god. The god they see is Elohim according to the interlinear bible.
Drat! Another perfectly good contradiction bites the dust. So no this is not a contradiction of whether we can see god or not. This is a contradiction of whether there is only one god or not.
It gets even deeper when we realize that the god of Genesis chapter 1 is e;phim, but in chaper 2 yahweh is doing the creating. Does this mean there are two different creations? In fact, we don’t see Adam in chapter 1
These are two different gods, two different accounts and the biblical translators cleverly hid this by lumping it all under the name ‘god.’
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 6:26 pm
Elohim is a plural on god isn't it?
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 6:39 pm
There's about seven different God characters in the Old Testament.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 6:58 pm
god is/was a juvenile delinquent and needed several alias.
god being a petulant child would certainly explain a lot.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 6:59 pm
Yahweh was originally a war god from a Pantheon led by a god called Elohim. Or maybe just El. Elohim may have meant the lesser gods under El. In any case, it's not just two names for the same god.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 7:28 pm
The Christian pantheon? Oh this is getting deep. I need my smelling salts.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 7:31 pm
A Canaanite one. Christianity wasn't a thing yet.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 9:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2016 at 9:11 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
El simply means "god". There is some evidence (not conclusive, but highly suggestive) from Ugaritic (a kingdom just north of Canaan) texts that El was the primary God, who ruled over a council of gods, the Elohim (plural of god, so "gods") some of whom were "patron" gods of a particular people. Among this council of gods was the War/Storm deity YHW, the Hebrews likely picked up from the Edomites (the people of Jethro, Moses' father-in-law), and adopted as their divine protector of the Israelites. [ETA: This is particularly important, since the modern evidence is that the Hebrews did not originate as their "Origin Story" suggests, but instead were an amalgamation of various Semitic peoples in the Canaan region, unified under the culture/religion that became known as Judaism.] There is also evidence that early Hebrews also worshiped Ashera, the wife/consort of YHW, before later reformers "glued together" the council of gods into a monotheistic religion and excised her from more than a passing mention in the surviving Old Testament.
There is also evidence that the deity YHW was worshiped in southern/upper Egypt (Nubia), with an archaeological find that mentions "the Shasu of YHW", and possibly was worshiped across a broad region. http://jandyongenesis.blogspot.com/2013/...moses.html
The "Al" in Allah is also related to the word "El", and you guessed it, means "god".
As you picked up on, the deity mention in Genesis 1 is El or Elohim (the primary god or the council of gods), to which is "copy-pasted" a later account, in Genesis 2, which attributes the same actions to Yahweh, at the time the Redactors were putting together the unified, monotheistic Judaism we know today.
Modern apologists explain this by saying that Elohim is simply a "royal we", rather than the simple plural form "gods" that would be used in any other context, but I find this explanation to be wishful thinking/mental gymnastics.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 9:57 pm
YHVH is the Supreme Being (God Transcendent) that presides over the Divine Council. Elohim refers to the Divine Council.
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RE: Elohim and Yahweh are 2 Different Gods
April 10, 2016 at 11:06 pm
Yahweh is an adopted poser.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Early_History_of_God
Quote:Smith says that Israelite culture was largely Canaanite in origin, and that deities such as El, Baal and Asherah, far from being alien to the Israelites, formed part of their heritage. He therefore sees Israelite monolatry (the insistence that Israel should worship one god, Yahweh, but without denying the reality of other gods) as a break with Israel's own past.
Yahweh, he argues, originated in Edom/Midian/Teman as a warrior-god and was subsequently assimilated into the highland pantheon headed by El and his consort, Asherah and populated by Baal and other deities
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