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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
April 29, 2016 at 7:35 pm
The right case, the right kid, the right priest, and maybe, just maybe the ACLU (with an amicus from the ACLJ?) could get SCOTUS to rule the first amendment does allow the catholic church the right to have priests be able to sexually abuse children, and then we'd be there.
The church has had 1500 years to realize they have a problem, it hasn't happened yet, also, any outside attempts at trying to get the church to change has been fought with literal platoons of lawyers, and active resistance from the top down, and the pew warmers could give a rats ass about the problem as they have made abundantly clear over the fucking centuries.
The current situation isn't working, too many kids being affected for starters, if the practice was legalized, regulated, conducted with parental approval and everyone was just honest about it, that would be about the best outcome we can reasonably expect.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
April 30, 2016 at 12:39 am
(April 29, 2016 at 8:51 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (April 29, 2016 at 5:01 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: I'm sorry, CL, but this is a major cop out. You can't discern whether or not there should be a time limit on when a person who raped a child should be free from being held accountable for their rape?
The way you're wording it is very leading though. Obviously I think people guilty of raping children shouldn't be free. My understanding is that the statute of limitations are in place to ensure that not enough time has passed to where sufficient evidence to convict someone has deteriorated with time. Some states in the US have those limitations on rape, others do not. Is it justifiable or reasonable for those states to have those limitations? What exactly are the conditions? Are they reasonable? Again, I don't know. How many innocent people have had their lives ruined due to being falsely accused of an alleged rape that happened decades ago in a state that does not have those limits, verses how many guilty people have walked free with plenty of evidence because of it in the states that do? What are the pros and cons and risks involved? Why do those statutes exist in the first place? I don't know the answer to these questions and so cannot make a strong comment on something I hardly know anything about.
But my whole point was that that's beyond the point. Even if I did do some research and came to the conclusion that those limitations do more harm than good and thus disagreed with the bishops in Wisconsin, I'd still be Catholic because I believe in it and I am not required as a Catholic to agree with everything every Catholic person does, including bishops, cardinals, and even popes. They don't make up the Church on their own. We all do, myself included.
And I'd still go to mass and contribute my share for being there. For that, I've already thoroughly explained why in my previous post. If you wanna take everything I said about that and have the take away be that I'm a supporter of child rapists for putting money in my parish's basket, fine. By your own logic though, I don't know why you would either like or think well of someone who you would classify as a supporter of child rape.
I'll drop it then. I don't think you're a bad person, otherwise I wouldn't continue to talk with you.
The more I talk with you, though, the more I get the sense that you live in a state of dissonance. You believe two things to be true at the same time that can't possibly both be true. I'm not sure how you do it, but you clearly do.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
April 30, 2016 at 3:35 am
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(April 29, 2016 at 7:35 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: The right case, the right kid, the right priest, and maybe, just maybe the ACLU (with an amicus from the ACLJ?) could get SCOTUS to rule the first amendment does allow the catholic church the right to have priests be able to sexually abuse children, and then we'd be there.
The church has had 1500 years to realize they have a problem, it hasn't happened yet, also, any outside attempts at trying to get the church to change has been fought with literal platoons of lawyers, and active resistance from the top down, and the pew warmers could give a rats ass about the problem as they have made abundantly clear over the fucking centuries.
The current situation isn't working, too many kids being affected for starters, if the practice was legalized, regulated, conducted with parental approval and everyone was just honest about it, that would be about the best outcome we can reasonably expect.
Yeah, I think we're taking the wrong approach. We want to stop child molestation altogether, but it's just not what Catholics and God want. We need to work with them, instead of fighting. With the church lobbying so hard to keep it going, and the government allowing them closed books so they don't have to expose their "pedophile shuffling expense" account, or how little is actually going to charitable causes, they have the power here. So all we can do is negotiate. We can't expect these men of God to just stop ass-raping kids. We can't expect parents to stop leaving their children in the care of priests. We have to get realistic. We can't expect Catholics to stop funding it either, because God would stop existing if they did.
So let's try and cut it down. We need sensible suggestions as to how we can streamline it, and deal with it in an honest and open fashion. Maybe some sort of "X factor" style show, for each priest to pick out their favourite fuck buddy. Sure, it won't be great for those kids, but think of all the others who will be saved. I agree that screening for STDs is a good start as well. Do you think the Catholics would go for this? Any more ideas as to making it all safer?
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
April 30, 2016 at 4:05 am
That's a very utilitarian approach. We can't stop 'em, we might as well try to regulate the child rape.
It strikes me that there are some lurkers that could take this conversation at face value.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
April 30, 2016 at 8:38 am
I note we have troops being ordered to defend with their lives the warlords with their 'dancing boys' and their conjugal rights with them (under threat of court martial) in the mideast now, so we have US government acknowledgement of a vary similar practice in a section of the Muslim world. I note the catholic church has archival records of their in-house pedophilia that predate the (claimed) existence of islam by well over a century.
We have established SCOTUS precedent citing precedents outside the US now too. There IS a court case here. There is historical and cross cultural documentation, there is the first amendment, we have the established oral jewish practice during circumcision too. Seems as though there is actual discrimination against the catholics in this regard.
The ACLU gets on board, some behind the scenes back and forth, interested parties making their case in the media, the PROFOUND indifference of the vast majority of the catholic pew warmers for well over a millenia and what do we see adding up ?? I could see the 'victims' being trotted out at some point, but realize, they are suspect and tainted from the possibility of a big financial payoff under the current system.
It's time to move on, the catholic pedo problem is only a problem for the folks that want it to be a problem. And read that as a reference to the lawyers getting rich off the current litigious mess.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
May 1, 2016 at 12:12 am
You know what i say send in the troops to the vatican city and we take it over and give them gratuitous amounts "FREEDOM".
But yeah of course the vatican will be against that they will loose so many many many priests from that organization... including the
pope himself.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
May 1, 2016 at 2:21 am
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That's a good idea actually! Let's go smash up the Vatican  If it's the "true religion", then God will turn up to stop us, right? Or will it just be fallible humans trying to stop us?
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
May 1, 2016 at 2:45 am
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Yeah, let's smash it up.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
May 1, 2016 at 3:10 am
(May 1, 2016 at 2:21 am)robvalue Wrote: That's a good idea actually! Let's go smash up the Vatican If it's the "true religion", then God will turn up to stop us, right? Or will it just be fallible humans trying to stop us?
Hell yeah! The scene in my mind is fantastic!
We might want to get together a few more people for that task, though.
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RE: Catholic Church Opposes Removing Statute of Limitations for Child Rape
May 1, 2016 at 3:22 am
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 Yeah! I usually try and avoid thinking about the Vatican because it makes me sick, but now I'm really enjoying it...
I'd be confident that if all the faithful just "had faith" and let it be us versus God, a handful of us could take the whole place apart in no time, with no resistance.
But the faithful have no faith and would all presume to act on behalf of their idle God.
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