God must be random

[Nihilist Virus]

I posted this (along with a bit more stuff) a few days back in the apologetics area of Christian forums and have gotten no intelligent rebuttals yet.  Thought I'd see what you all think.  Maybe pretend you're Christian for a minute and try to tear it down.



1. Properties are either intelligently assigned or randomly assigned.
2. God has properties.
3. God was not assigned these properties by someone else.
4a. Assume God did not assign his own properties to himself.
5a. No one assigned God his properties, so they are not intelligently assigned.
6a. God's properties are random.
4b. Assume God did assign his own properties to himself.
5b. We can reasonably agree that God assigned himself his own properties according to his own preferences.
6bA. Assume God assigned himself his own preferences.
7bA. Before God assigned himself his own preferences, he did not have any preferences.
8bA. God assigned himself his own preferences randomly.
9bA. God assigned himself his own properties according to random preferences.
10bA. God's properties are random.
6bB. Assume God did not assign himself his own preferences.
7bB. God's preferences are not intelligently assigned.
8bB. God's preferences are random.
9bB. Go to 9bA.



http://www.christianforums.com/threads/t...d.7941675/

[Silver]

I see so many problems from the start.

[dyresand]

for one biblical god is a paradox that could not exist so end it right there.

[Alex K]

Why is randomly assigned the only alternative to intelligently designed?

[Silver]

Simple answer: theists who prescribe to ID are fucking ignorant.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

If the biblical God character existed several thousands of years ago where in the hell is he now? No one has seen hide or hair of him since the Babylonian Empire collapsed and the last Babylonian emperor bit the dust. That should be a major hint. The biblical God character was simply the series of men who ruled the various dominant Middle Eastern empires up to about 500 BC. They included such characters as Darius and Cyrus of Persia. And since they were simply men the God character had their attributes.

Even the Bible says that people shouldn't believe in Jewish fairy tales so stop believing in their imaginary deity.

[Nihilist Virus]

Why is randomly assigned the only alternative to intelligently designed?

In the link I provide the actual thread I posted, and on the first premise that you're referring to I have an asterisk which refers to this at the bottom:


*(There can be a mixture of intelligent assigning and random assigning. For example, with sleight of hand I might give myself a better chance of drawing the ace of spades from 1 chance in 52 to, say, one chance in 10. In this case, it can be said that the card I draw is random to some degree and intelligently assigned to some degree. For the purposes of this thread, I will ignore this possibility because either there is no God, in which case there is no intelligent agent to stack the odds of a certain thing to occur, or else there is a God, in which case said God does not need to rely on chance as he is omnipotent. I assume we can agree to ignore the possibility of a God that has limited power; God is either unlimited in power or else maximally powerful, that is, he can perform any action which is not logically absurd.)

[Nihilist Virus]

I see so many problems from the start.

Such as?

[Goosebump]

I'll assume your not stupid and try this out.

1. Properties are either intelligently assigned or randomly assigned. (Or stupidly assigned, by a dumby)
2. God has properties.  (or she doesn't...)
3. God was not assigned these properties by someone else. (Or a cosmic die roll did it)
4a. Assume God did not assign his own properties to himself. (You've already made 3 of them why stop?)
5a. No one assigned God his properties, so they are not intelligently assigned. (random die roll)
6a. God's properties are random. (again 3).?
4b. Assume God did assign his own properties to himself. (why? Think we are begging the question?).
5b. We can reasonably agree that God assigned himself his own properties according to his own preferences. (Defiantly Begging the question now.)
6bA. Assume God assigned himself his own preferences. (we haven't stopped assuming why start now?)
7bA. Before God assigned himself his own preferences, he did not have any preferences.
8bA. God assigned himself his own preferences randomly. (so this is “ok” for random but not others ok..)
9bA. God assigned himself his own properties according to random preferences.
10bA. God's properties are random.
6bB. Assume God did not assign himself his own preferences. (You just said he did viva 6bA)...
7bB. God's preferences are not intelligently assigned.
8bB. God's preferences are random.
9bB. Go to 9bA.

Congrats you created some nonsense! Well done!

This kinda random, un-thought-out nonsense is exactly why pricks like Dirch love this forum.

[Nihilist Virus]

I'll assume your not stupid