God must be random

[Nihilist Virus]

1. If a document contradicts itself, you cannot accept it as a whole and can only scrutinize it line by line to determine which claims are true, false, or undecidable.
2. The Bible contradicts itself.
3. The Bible makes claims about a God and his properties, and such claims are undecidable.
4. You are making assumptions that these claims are true.

 I know God so I know the Bible is correct in it's description of Him, the Bible is God's word and it says God can't lie (one of His attributes), So the Bile being God's word can tell anything but the truth about God. God can't contradict another attribute, meaning there are no contradictions in the Bible. The reason you can't decide on who God is leads to a question, when will you allow God to remove the blinders from your eyes and find the truth.

GC

When you say the Bible does not contradict itself, you simply won't be taken seriously. I already proved it does contradict itself in my open letter to Christians and neither you nor any other Christian there disproved my claims.

[SteveII]

You are confusing creating something with assigning it properties. They are not the same thing. For example, if you very carefully carved a cubes out of block of wood -- you created a cube. You did not assign the properties (wooden, cube, x volume, brown, etc.). Additionally, that block of wood used to (but no more) have the property of being a tree.

I agree that in your example the cube was not assigned the property of being wood by my actions, but it clearly wasn't a cube before, and yet now it is, and so those are new properties that came about because of my actions.  How is that not assigning properties?

The object's properties changed once you reached the already established definition of a cube. Assign means designate. You can't designate it a cube. It is either a cube or it is not--independent of your desires or wishes. You could have made a cube by accident or not know what a cube was. It would still have the properties of being a cube.

[Nihilist Virus]

I agree that in your example the cube was not assigned the property of being wood by my actions, but it clearly wasn't a cube before, and yet now it is, and so those are new properties that came about because of my actions.  How is that not assigning properties?

The object's properties changed once you reached the already established definition of a cube. Assign means designate. You can't designate it a cube. It is either a cube or it is not--independent of your desires or wishes. You could have made a cube by accident or not know what a cube was. It would still have the properties of being a cube.

I'm not talking about desire or intent. I'm talking about actions. The act of making a cube is the same as the act of rearranging previously existing material so that it has the properties of a cube. Hence, in this instance the act is assigning the properties of a cube.

[Godscreated]

 I know God so I know the Bible is correct in it's description of Him, the Bible is God's word and it says God can't lie (one of His attributes), So the Bile being God's word can tell anything but the truth about God. God can't contradict another attribute, meaning there are no contradictions in the Bible. The reason you can't decide on who God is leads to a question, when will you allow God to remove the blinders from your eyes and find the truth.

GC

When you say the Bible does not contradict itself, you simply won't be taken seriously.  I already proved it does contradict itself in my open letter to Christians and neither you nor any other Christian there disproved my claims.

 You proven nothing, ever, every supposed contradiction you brought up that I saw, I showed you how wrong you were, just because you didn't accept it doesn't mean what I stated was false.

GC

[Nihilist Virus]

When you say the Bible does not contradict itself, you simply won't be taken seriously.  I already proved it does contradict itself in my open letter to Christians and neither you nor any other Christian there disproved my claims.

 You proven nothing, ever, every supposed contradiction you brought up that I saw, I showed you how wrong you were, just because you didn't accept it doesn't mean what I stated was false.

GC

Actually you showed nothing but only claimed that you could not currently debunk them due to physical injury on your hands and also dismissed them upon accusing me of acquiring them off of atheist websites (and again, even if that actually was true, it wouldn't disprove the arguments).

So at this point you are factually in error which is to say that either your recollection of these events has betrayed you or else you are lying.

[Godscreated]

 You proven nothing, ever, every supposed contradiction you brought up that I saw, I showed you how wrong you were, just because you didn't accept it doesn't mean what I stated was false.

GC

Actually you showed nothing but only claimed that you could not currently debunk them due to physical injury on your hands and also dismissed them upon accusing me of acquiring them off of atheist websites  (and again, even if that actually was true, it wouldn't disprove the arguments).

So at this point you are factually in error which is to say that either your recollection of these events has betrayed you or else you are lying.

 You're correct I didn't go back and address those but with others I corrected you at every turn, so I didn't lie I did forget and if you want to bring those things up again I'll address them.

GC

[Nihilist Virus]

Actually you showed nothing but only claimed that you could not currently debunk them due to physical injury on your hands and also dismissed them upon accusing me of acquiring them off of atheist websites  (and again, even if that actually was true, it wouldn't disprove the arguments).

So at this point you are factually in error which is to say that either your recollection of these events has betrayed you or else you are lying.

 You're correct I didn't go back and address those but with others I corrected you at every turn, so I didn't lie I did forget and if you want to bring those things up again I'll address them.

GC

Well the thread is probably 30 days old. Orangebox21 or whatever his name is has disappeared. So if you want to take up his torch you can resume it on this thread if you like, or get permission to necro it. Fine with me either way.