Game of Thrones Season 6 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Aroura]

You know Time Warner owns DC Comics, WB Pictures, New Line Cinema and HBO. So umm *Takes Sip From Ale* When are we gonna get a Lord Of The Rings/Game Of Thrones Crossover?

Naw, they won't mess with this series until it's over, at least.  It's too big a cash cow to mess it up yet.

Plus those are 2 fan bases that will revolt if you screw up their PRECIOUS! lol

[AkiraTheViking]

You know Time Warner owns DC Comics, WB Pictures, New Line Cinema and HBO. So umm *Takes Sip From Ale* When are we gonna get a Lord Of The Rings/Game Of Thrones Crossover?

Naw, they won't mess with this series until it's over, at least.  It's too big a cash cow to mess it up yet.

Plus those are 2 fan bases that will revolt if you screw up their PRECIOUS! lol

Well the crossover comics would be non cannon so I doubt it will screw up the main universes and TV/Movie universes of both titles.

[wiploc]

I still say Joffery being behind it makes no sense.

Agreed.  That would be such a ho-hum reveal that, if it were true, Martin would have revealed it long before this.  

Also, wasn't Tyrion that one whose knife it was? or was that just a show thing?

No, not just a show thing, but it's also not true.  That is, Littlefinger said it was Tyrion's knife, but Littlefinger was trying to start a war.

[wiploc]

When I read the books, I figured Littlefinger was actually behind it. 

I've always thought it was Tommen, but your theory has merit too.

[Aegon]

When I read the books, I figured Littlefinger was actually behind it. 

I've always thought it was Tommen, but your theory has merit too.

That's a new one. And we all thought he was in his chambers, innocently playing with Ser Pounce!

[wiploc]

There was nothing to gain from killing Bran. Whoever did it did it for personal reasons, and Littlefinger isn't the type of guy to do that. Joff on the other hand definitely is

Littlefinger wants to rule the seven kingdoms.  That can't happen unless he destabilizes the ruling houses by pitting them against each other.  That's clearly what he's up to when he says the knife belonged to Tyrion.  Why can't that be what he's up to earlier, when he hires an assassin and gives him a distinctive knife? 

I still like the theory that Tommen is the perp, but the theory that Littlefinger did it is not unreasonable.

[Aegon]

There was nothing to gain from killing Bran. Whoever did it did it for personal reasons, and Littlefinger isn't the type of guy to do that. Joff on the other hand definitely is

Littlefinger wants to rule the seven kingdoms.  That can't happen unless he destabilizes the ruling houses by pitting them against each other.  That's clearly what he's up to when he says the knife belonged to Tyrion.  Why can't that be what he's up to earlier, when he hires an assassin and gives him a distinctive knife? 

I still like the theory that Tommen is the perp, but the theory that Littlefinger did it is not unreasonable.

The assassin who was sent was not supposed to be caught by Cat. He started a fire in one of the towers as a distraction. If the plan had worked, the man would have slit Bran's throat and been gone before anyone noticed, along with the dagger.

It makes the most sense to me that it was Joffrey, and when Cat brought the dagger to Littlefinger he quickly used it to his advantage.

[SteelCurtain]

Littlefinger wants to rule the seven kingdoms.  That can't happen unless he destabilizes the ruling houses by pitting them against each other.  That's clearly what he's up to when he says the knife belonged to Tyrion.  Why can't that be what he's up to earlier, when he hires an assassin and gives him a distinctive knife? 

I still like the theory that Tommen is the perp, but the theory that Littlefinger did it is not unreasonable.

Littlefinger wants as much power as everyone, but he knows he could never rule the Seven Kingdoms. He is trying to raise his station--yes, and maybe he can marry a ruler in order to come as close to that as possible, but he'll never sit the iron throne, and he knows that.

I think his goal is to remove the aristocracy and the throne altogether. He is Lord of Harrenhal. He has installed himself as de facto ruler of the Vale. If the show has it right, he has positioned himself well to be in power in the North. When the Blackfish tells Sansa (if he ever gets the message wink wink) he's a little busy, Littlefinger will come to the rescue.

He is still in good with the Lannisters, and I wouldn't be surprised if somehow he parlays that into power in the westerlands. He is going to unify the seven kingdoms, but not for some noble purpose, because he wants to defeat brawn with brains.

[Silver]

he wants to defeat brawn with brains.

Precisely, after a wall of text to get there.

[wiploc]

Littlefinger wants to rule the seven kingdoms.  That can't happen unless he destabilizes the ruling houses by pitting them against each other.  That's clearly what he's up to when he says the knife belonged to Tyrion.  Why can't that be what he's up to earlier, when he hires an assassin and gives him a distinctive knife? 

I still like the theory that Tommen is the perp, but the theory that Littlefinger did it is not unreasonable.

It makes the most sense to me that it was Joffrey, and when Cat brought the dagger to Littlefinger he quickly used it to his advantage.

Who killed Jon Arryn?  His wife Lyssa, Cat's sister, send Cat a letter blaming the Lanisters.  We know that that was a lie, but I'm fuzzy on what was the truth.  I think Lyssa killed Jon Arryn, or Littlefinger did.  If Lyssa did it, she was following  Littlefinger's instructions, right? 

I think that's right.

If that's right, then Littlefinger was already moving to turn the great houses against each other.  That is, at the time of the second attempt on Bran's life, Littlefinger was already committed to causing the war.  So he could have planned Bran's death as part of that scheme. 

In fact, it was the attempt on Bran that made the letter from Lyssa so effective.  Neither alone would have worked. 

I've talked myself around:  Littlefinger hired Bran's assassin. 

The assassin who was sent was not supposed to be caught by Cat. He started a fire in one of the towers as a distraction. If the plan had worked, the man would have slit Bran's throat and been gone before anyone noticed, along with the dagger.

Littlefinger may have instructed the man to leave the dagger in Bran. 

Littlefinger didn't hire the smartest guy.  Yes, he could have killed Bran and got away clean, but he wasn't who you'd choose if you really wanted that result. 

And even if he'd gotten out of the room, and out of Winterfell, how likely was it that he'd make it the length of the Kingsroad after Bran's murder? 

Unlikely.  He was expected to get caught.  Which means Littlefinger didn't hire him personally.  He had to have someone else do that for him, and that someone will have given the assassin a story about who he was working for--something somehow incriminating the Lannisters.  For driving a wedge between House Stark and House Lannister was of primary importance.