Game of Thrones Season 6 Discussion [SPOILERS WITHIN]

[Whateverist]

Maybe I don't understand how it works, but where did Arya get that face?

Maybe she borrowed it?

[Mister Agenda]

They seem to be picking up the pace.

[Mister Agenda]

Maybe I don't understand how it works, but where did Arya get that face?

Maybe she borrowed it?

I kinda hope that's an option, because I thought they came from dead people. Maybe she 'requisitioned it on her way out of the temple?

[Clueless Morgan]

I thought they came from dead people too (Arya added the waif's face after she killed her didn't she?) and the whole reason they have the hall of faces is so you can go get one to use and return it when you're done with that mission.

[Homeless Nutter]

I kinda hope that's an option, because I thought they came from dead people. Maybe she 'requisitioned it on her way out of the temple?

Or Arya simply killed an innocent servant girl and took her face. Wouldn't be the first time she killed in cold blood, in order to further her own cause... Arya's a monster - get over it. Especially, that at this point most characters seem to be monsters...

And while we're at it - how did Arya make the Frey-pie? And what for (except for the obvious wink towards the book readers)? She would have needed a kitchen for many hours and someone would most likely see her grinding parts of human bodies. Did she feed the Freys to anyone else, or just baked the one pie to show Walder, just before killing him? Because seems like a lot of hassle, to do all that and not even let him taste it...

And the thumb was just silly, imho. I imagine the writers thought they had to spell it out for some portion of the audience, that the pie was made of people, and they also wanted the cheap gross-out effect. Oh, well - dumbing down is the price of popularity, I guess...

[Aegon]

So many people were confused by the Tower of Joy scene that I now understand why they dumb things down.

[Aegon]

After properly digesting the finale and the season as a whole, I have one big problem: the main theme of the story has changed. The books are anti-war and anti-violence. This is especially clear in Brienne's Riverlands chapters in "A Feast for Crows." The show, however, is promoting war and violence and vengeance. Sansa having Ramsay's dogs eat him, Dany having the Masters killed, Cersei killing everybody, and most of all, Arya killing, chopping up, and baking two human beings and forcing their father to eat them. And this was all made to be celebrated and make the audience happy. This is the world they created. The lesson they're giving is: "The world is fucked up, so the only way to compete is to be just as fucked up." That's the polar opposite of what GRRM is trying to get across. I don't know how I feel about that.

[FatAndFaithless]

After properly digesting the finale and the season as a whole, I have one big problem: the main theme of the story has changed. The books are anti-war and anti-violence. This is especially clear in Brienne's Riverlands chapters in "A Feast for Crows." The show, however, is promoting war and violence and vengeance. Sansa having Ramsay's dogs eat him, Dany having the Masters killed, Cersei killing everybody, and most of all, Arya killing, chopping up, and baking two human beings and forcing their father to eat them. And this was all made to be celebrated and make the audience happy. This is the world they created. The lesson they're giving is: "The world is fucked up, so the only way to compete is to be just as fucked up." That's the polar opposite of what GRRM is trying to get across. I don't know how I feel about that.

It's hard to say, especially considering that a large number of the events you mentioned haven't happened yet in the books.  I don't think GRRM's anti-war theme was that "all war is bad" or "violence is always wrong," I think it's more about the effects of violence and war, and that even the best people are permanently, fundamentally changed (and in some cases damaged horribly) by it, and that war is not something that's glory and honor.  

I actually think the show captured this very well with the Battle of the Bastards.  The dirt, chaos, confusion, and overall insanity of violence was perfectly on show.  What we cheered for wasn't the violence itself, it was that characters we cared about managed to survive it, though they still can be (and visibly are, in some cases) damaged by it. And even Sansa's actions with the hounds, a ton of people after that episode were saying how Sansa has changed, how Ramsey's final jibe "I'm a part of you now" is more true than she knows.

And hey, the shows are the shows and the books are the books, GRRM has said over and over how people should view them as two separate things. For all we know Jon could lose the Battle of the Bastards or someone else entirely could kill Walder Frey (though Frey pies were already, supposedly, in the books).

[Excited Penguin]

I kinda hope that's an option, because I thought they came from dead people. Maybe she 'requisitioned it on her way out of the temple?

Or Arya simply killed an innocent servant girl and took her face. Wouldn't be the first time she killed in cold blood, in order to further her own cause... Arya's a monster - get over it. Especially, that at this point most characters seem to be monsters...

And while we're at it - how did Arya make the Frey-pie? And what for (except for the obvious wink towards the book readers)? She would have needed a kitchen for many hours and someone would most likely see her grinding parts of human bodies. Did she feed the Freys to anyone else, or just baked the one pie to show Walder, just before killing him? Because seems like a lot of hassle, to do all that and not even let him taste it...

And the thumb was just silly, imho. I imagine the writers thought they had to spell it out for some portion of the audience, that the pie was made of people, and they also wanted the cheap gross-out effect. Oh, well - dumbing down is the price of popularity, I guess...

I didn't see a thumb but I got it anyway. And I don't think it was because of the fact that I had read the books, but simply because of the dialogue and the actors' expressions. I can't imagine anyone would be stupid enough not to get it.

[FatAndFaithless]

Or Arya simply killed an innocent servant girl and took her face. Wouldn't be the first time she killed in cold blood, in order to further her own cause... Arya's a monster - get over it. Especially, that at this point most characters seem to be monsters...

And while we're at it - how did Arya make the Frey-pie? And what for (except for the obvious wink towards the book readers)? She would have needed a kitchen for many hours and someone would most likely see her grinding parts of human bodies. Did she feed the Freys to anyone else, or just baked the one pie to show Walder, just before killing him? Because seems like a lot of hassle, to do all that and not even let him taste it...

And the thumb was just silly, imho. I imagine the writers thought they had to spell it out for some portion of the audience, that the pie was made of people, and they also wanted the cheap gross-out effect. Oh, well - dumbing down is the price of popularity, I guess...

I didn't see a thumb but I got it anyway. And I don't think it was because of the fact that I had read the books, but simply because of the dialogue and the actors' expressions. I can't imagine anyone would be stupid enough not to get it.

I had a relative say to me "So does that mean Ned had sex with Lyanna?" after the Tower of Joy scene.