The West's Response to Islam and violence......

[dom.donald]

I have been trying to avoid anything about the US election in the media, but I did catch a programme about it last night. I was shocked to hear Trump getting cheers for saying he's going to use carpet bombing to get rid of the Muslim threat. I was also shocked to see Cruz sharing the platform with, and shaking the hand of, an evangelical preacher who wasn't ashamed to say homosexuals should be killed.

I am at a loss though. I can't see how rational discourse can solve a problem where one party / group has set aside reality. Religious folks have invested so much of their lives and resources into their faith, and they *know* they are right and therefore can't be swayed. They know what their prophet(s) command(s )them to do, whether they choose (or have the balls) to act on it or not. So even 'moderates' (hate that term) will not turn on the 'extremists' (hate that term).

I can't see how government supported assassinations can help, drones, or any other military action. I can't imagine how walls can help, or how immigration restrictions can be imposed. Israel's grab and squeeze on resources is inhumane, for example, regardless of the reasons.

I think the UK will sleep walk into being the first European Muslim country (first ever Muslim Mayor of London? - is he a 'real' Muslim though?), and won't realise that the idea of multi-culturalism is not a liberal concept shared by the Islam.

Perhaps it will end up with a 'clash of civilisations'. At some point you have to confront intolerance and dangerous ideas. I just don't know how.

[Minimalist]

Judging by the growth of the right-wing parties I would say that clash is getting closer.

[WinterHold]

Hi, Brian.

I was avoiding posting, not feeling nice but hey, I'm always in in such topics

Well, the world was sold a big lie, I refer to the war on terror. The dirty laundry was out, and finally I can loudly say it: I, and people who said it with me, weren't insane conspiracy theorists.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36316117

No. Those behind the dirty attacks are trying to get out from the mess Bush put them in, or perhaps the plan itself was meant to fail? dirty, filthy intelligence agency actions are sometimes exposed. Can you imagine Brian, that this is now being discussed? finally ! finally the main-stream media can shut up for a while about "Islamic terrorism" and start to discuss America's allies terrorism for a while

Terrorism that brings cash, terrorism that puts the bricks for a new Sykes-Picot.

Ah, we were sold this lie when Bush and his Saudi friends began their crusade. Why would America invade Iraq, because Muslim terrorists from Saudi Arabia blew a tower in New York ? xD it's so funny, hilarious, and perhaps ironic, but it tells you about the mentality the majority of humanity has. More funny, that U.S troops were luanched from Saudi Arabia -mainly-, and the Arabian channels -like Al-Jazeera & Al Arabeya" did work splendidly to spread one nasty propaganda for the interest of the allies.

Peace makers screamed for years and said: observe, we shouldn't fight, we shouldn't kill, but no. 

Weapons of mass destruction didn't exist, Iraq wasn't in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia is an ally that is to the south !
Ironic? we screamed before these documents, I swear we screamed. But everybody made fun of us, the majority laughed and now: the dirty laundry came to light, and you can see it.

As for the Sykes-Picot regimes -well; I preached about this treaty so much; and now MSM speaks about it; so you should know which region I mean : just google syskes-picot".

The Sykes-Picot treaty spent its 100 years duration; things need to be reshaped now. You can't seriously believe that ISIS is a true Islamic regime if you read the BBC report.

 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36316117

The regimes of Sykes-Picot used religion in such a smart manor, to actually build proxies that would fight useless war for a useless cause, them proxies exist only when the regimes want them to exist. America, Russia, France and Israel are the main players that move the chess pieces. Look at Syria of you can't believe me.

Islam? it's a symphony sung in the background to add a "realistic" taste to the plot. Be my guest and call me a conspiracy theorist; I'm immune now; you called me that in the past and it turns out you were wrong.

 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36316117

Brian; the people of this region are ignorant beyond imagination. If westerners are politically ignorant, Middle Eastern are TOTALLY ignorant. What is Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, what are these but drawings on a map (that is 100 years old only)?

The westerners who bought the lie of Bush and his buddies (Obama and Hilary are also in the gang) are just like the Sykes-Picot citezens who can't differentiate between left and right.

Islam is a decoration. Remember.

[ReptilianPeon]

We all know Bush and Blair will not be held accountable for their war crimes. The International Criminal Court will never want to see them. The world is a more dangerous place thanks to Bush and Blair.

I only really go to the BBC for news local to me, by the way, Atlas. Their Syria coverage is so biased. Although their science and technology coverage is good. I hate the way the Western media, in general, is always demonizing the Russians and insulting my intelligence by referring to the United States the 'leader of the free world' whilst billionaires rig the elections and ordinary Americans have their freedoms be taken away in the name of security. And they nowhere near enough criticism of al-Saud and their butt buddies in Qatar and Turkey or the various hospital bombings in recent months. Nobody seems to care about the Geneva Convention anymore.

[abaris]

The International Criminal Court will never want to see them.

It's not the International court's fault. They would want to see them, if someone brought forward an idictment. America never signed up for the court and I highly doubt the UK would extradite Blair.

[ReptilianPeon]

The International Criminal Court will never want to see them.

It's not the International court's fault. They would want to see them, if someone brought forward an idictment. America never signed up for the court and I highly doubt the UK would extradite Blair.

Good point! Completely forgot about that. They really are hypocrites these Americans. The United States hasn't ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child Either - now currently the only United Nations member to have not. The United States likes play by different rules to the rest of the world.

[dom.donald]

It's not the International court's fault. They would want to see them, if someone brought forward an idictment. America never signed up for the court and I highly doubt the UK would extradite Blair.

Good point! Completely forgot about that. They really are hypocrites these Americans. The United States hasn't ratified the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child Either - now currently the only United Nations member to have not. The United States likes play by different rules to the rest of the world.

The US doesn't do anything that isn't in the interests of the (powerful elite in) US. Americans seem to like that.