Choseing to be a part of the silent majority

[Sterben]

What? She's a liberal. She'd choose liberal/moderate leaning judges. She's beholden to the Democratic party, and she'd be the incumbent for re-election.

You are just intentionally dense. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

        I'm not sure she's a real liberal, she voted for the Iraq war after all. That point aside, she may chose a moderate and highly unlikely a liberal. It be nice to see more of a liberal supreme court. We be able to get passed all these silly laws in science. I was listing to NPR and the whole 14 day rule makes no sense (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...le-science). If we did have mostly liberal supreme court, these rules could be changed. If you think Hillary is the one to do so, she won't. She's a neo-liberal at best.

[SteelCurtain]

What? She's a liberal. She'd choose liberal/moderate leaning judges. She's beholden to the Democratic party, and she'd be the incumbent for re-election.

You are just intentionally dense. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.

        I'm not sure she's a real liberal, she voted for the Iraq war after all. That point aside, she may chose a moderate and highly unlikely a liberal. It be nice to see more of a liberal supreme court. We be able to get passed all these silly laws in science. I was listing to NPR and the whole 14 day rule makes no sense (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...le-science). If we did have mostly liberal supreme court, these rules could be changed. If you think Hillary is the one to do so, she won't. She's a neo-liberal at best.

Most liberals voted for the Iraq war. The intelligence communities lied to everyone, the Senate overwhelmingly voted for the war. It was a terrible decision, but looking at the outcome like everyone knew what would happen is dumb as shit. If you asked me to vote in 2002 for a war in Iraq, I would have voted for it then. Am I not a liberal?

You have literally no idea what your are talking about with regards to who Hillary would nominate. You just hate her, so you are making shit up so you can justify being willfully irresponsible as an adult because you didn't get your way in the primaries.

Stay home, I don't think you're informed enough to vote anyways.

[Athene]

Not doing anything different this election year; I'll be voting for President.

[AFTT47]

Sterben, you're either massively uninformed or a damned fool. I'm betting on the latter.

There's no shame in not liking your party's candidate but to stay home and thus increase the likelihood of the other party winning is folly. Don't pretend there's no difference between Hillary and Trump. That's just stupid.

[Sterben]

        I'm not sure she's a real liberal, she voted for the Iraq war after all. That point aside, she may chose a moderate and highly unlikely a liberal. It be nice to see more of a liberal supreme court. We be able to get passed all these silly laws in science. I was listing to NPR and the whole 14 day rule makes no sense (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree...le-science). If we did have mostly liberal supreme court, these rules could be changed. If you think Hillary is the one to do so, she won't. She's a neo-liberal at best.

Most liberals voted for the Iraq war. The intelligence communities lied to everyone, the Senate overwhelmingly voted for the war. It was a terrible decision, but looking at the outcome like everyone knew what would happen is dumb as shit. If you asked me to vote in 2002 for a war in Iraq, I would have voted for it then. Am I not a liberal?

You have literally no idea what your are talking about with regards to who Hillary would nominate. You just hate her, so you are making shit up so you can justify being willfully irresponsible as an adult because you didn't get your way in the primaries.

Stay home, I don't think you're informed enough to vote anyways.

            They did more then lie about the Iraq war, we should of been brought up on war crimes for the actions we did. You are a liberal, one of the best ones I know on this board. I hate Trump and heavily dis-agree with Hillary. Take for instance her dream act idea, allowing the parents of children of illegal immigrants to be granted citizenship. A prime example; That idea is very costly, I agree that they should be allowed the path to citizenship, not to be given citizenship just cause the mother gave birth to a child on U.S soil. The fact that if your born on American soil you typically get citizenship has always bothered me.(http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizensh...birth.html). Her support of big banks has always bothered me as well. So, I don't hate her by any means. She's just not in sync with what I want done in my country. Trump on the other hand I oppose fully, I'm just not willing to throw my support Hillary based on a lot of her ideas.

[Sterben]

Sterben, you're either massively uninformed or a damned fool. I'm betting on the latter.

There's no shame in not liking your party's candidate but to stay home and thus increase the likelihood of the other party winning is folly. Don't pretend there's no difference between Hillary and Trump. That's just stupid.

       I know there is no shame in admitting that I don't like the choice the party made. Both of them are different and the same in many ways, I would rather keep my ethics in intact then having too compromise. I know it sounds like a silly concept, in the long run though, I will feel much better then having to live with the fact I settled on someone that did not come close to my standards.

[rexbeccarox]

Sterben, you're either massively uninformed or a damned fool. I'm betting on the latter.

There's no shame in not liking your party's candidate but to stay home and thus increase the likelihood of the other party winning is folly. Don't pretend there's no difference between Hillary and Trump. That's just stupid.

       I know there is no shame in admitting that I don't like the choice the party made. Both of them are different and the same in many ways, I would rather keep my ethics in intact then having too compromise. I know it sounds like a silly concept, in the long run though, I will feel much better then having to live with the fact I settled on someone that did not come close to my standards.

... but you still have to live with whomever is elected.

[Minimalist]

I know it sounds like a silly concept

Delete all after "concept."

[SteelCurtain]

            They did more then lie about the Iraq war, we should of been brought up on war crimes for the actions we did. You are a liberal, one of the best ones I know on this board.

So you fault Hillary for acting on the intelligence that we all had at that time? I won't fault any Congressmen for voting for the Iraq War. I would have. It was a horrendous blunder, and it was all started off by a warmongering administration. Dick Cheney is a war criminal. He used a major terror incident on American soil to parley a war.

I hate Trump and heavily dis-agree with Hillary. Take for instance her dream act idea, allowing the parents of children of illegal immigrants to be granted citizenship. A prime example; That idea is very costly, I agree that they should be allowed the path to citizenship, not to be given citizenship just cause the mother gave birth to a child on U.S soil.

The DREAM Act was introduced by a Republican (Orrin Hatch of all people) in 2001 and is exactly a path to citizenship. It doesn't grant anyone citizenship. It would stop them from being deported just because 'Murrica. It came about when the Republican Tag Line was "Compassionate Conservatives." You are so uninformed about what you're talking about, it's silly.

The fact that if your born on American soil you typically get citizenship has always bothered me.(http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizensh...birth.html).

What other criteria would you suggest?

Her support of big banks has always bothered me as well. So, I don't hate her by any means. She's just not in sync with what I want done in my country. Trump on the other hand I oppose fully, I'm just not willing to throw my support Hillary based on a lot of her ideas.

She's supported by money. Yes. That is a legitimate concern. I agree with your concern.

If you are a socially liberal person, she supports 95% of the issues that matter to you.

I want to ask you some questions, Sterben. You have a tendency to duck and run as soon as anyone challenges any point you've made. So hopefully you'll actually engage this time.

1) Specifically what direction do you want this country to go?
2) Which of the policies that Hillary supports do you not support?
3) Which ideas of Hillary's do you oppose?
4) Why do you question whether Hillary is a liberal?
5) What makes you think risking a Trump presidency is worth it?

[Sterben]

       I know there is no shame in admitting that I don't like the choice the party made. Both of them are different and the same in many ways, I would rather keep my ethics in intact then having too compromise. I know it sounds like a silly concept, in the long run though, I will feel much better then having to live with the fact I settled on someone that did not come close to my standards.

... but you still have to live with whomever is elected.

      At least my ethics stay intact, and I'm able to say with a prime voice "All of you who voted for her or him, this a problem not mine. I stayed out of it, so I would not be held accountable by your actions."