Egypt Air loses another aircraft

[abaris]

Egyptian avation minister and Russian and American intelligence all agree it was most likely explosives rather than a mechanical failure.

And they are experts on aviation crashes because ....? So far not even a single piece of debris has been brought ashore, let alone investigated by people who's job it is to investigate something like that.

[Minimalist]

Planes just don't fall out of the sky for no reason.

[abaris]

Planes just don't fall out of the sky for no reason.

But you do know that there are multiple reasons for planes falling out of the air? Not just the first wayward one.

[account_inactive]

Everyone just seems to automatically assume explosives for some reason. It's fucking Egypt, their safety standards might not be as good as ours and it could just be a mechanical error.

[paulpablo]

Egyptian avation minister and Russian and American intelligence all agree it was most likely explosives rather than a mechanical failure.

And they are experts on aviation crashes because ....? So far not even a single piece of debris has been brought ashore, let alone investigated by people who's job it is to investigate something like that.

I said experts, they're experts on gathering information, plus the Egyptian aviation minister who I'm guessing knows a bit about aviation and accidents. I mean they're hardly armchair enthusiasts, they're experts in their fields and their fields are related to information.

So far the only info people can go on is the behaviour of the aircraft before the crash and the people with knowledge in this field are people involved in aviation and people who have access to satellite images of this area.

Obviously this is just what's known so far it's not a conclusion.

[Minimalist]

Planes just don't fall out of the sky for no reason.

But you do know that there are multiple reasons for planes falling out of the air? Not just the first wayward one.

With no distress call from the crew on a mechanical issue?  

The most telling argument against terrorism is the fact that no one has claimed responsibility.  Yet.

[abaris]

Everyone just seems to automatically assume explosives for some reason. It's fucking Egypt, their safety standards might not be as good as ours and it could just be a mechanical error.

Also they took off in Paris. Everyone having been to one of their airports knows how tight and unforgiving security is there.

I'm no expert either, but the scenario of the plane performing erratic manoevers before crashing rather points to some problem with the tail empennage rather than some sort of explosive. Seems as if they lost control and it took quite a while before they vanished from radar.

[abaris]

I said experts, they're experts on gathering information, plus the Egyptian aviation minister who I'm guessing knows a bit about aviation and accidents.

Why, because he's a minister? How many ministers do you know of, who are experts in their fields and not simply politicians with advisors. Also, crash investigators are specially trained to find the reasons by investigating the wreckage. I guess, even you don't assume this minister belonging to that select crew.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Planes just don't fall out of the sky for no reason.

The wax on their wings melt because they get too close to the sun and their wings fall off and they fall to the ground.  Remember Icarus https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...-prado.jpg.  So maybe the wax on the plane's wings melted?

[paulpablo]

I said experts, they're experts on gathering information, plus the Egyptian aviation minister who I'm guessing knows a bit about aviation and accidents.

Why, because he's a minister? How many ministers do you know of, who are experts in their fields and not simply politicians with advisors. Also, crash investigators are specially trained to find the reasons by investigating the wreckage. I guess, even you don't assume this minister belonging to that select crew.

Yes but there is no crash scene. So the only experts who can say anything about this situation at all so far are aviation experts who can observe the behaviour of the flight.
All anyone can do is guess, but it's not a complete shot in the dark. First of all its Egypt which isn't the safest country in regards to Islamic terrorism involving planes or Islamic terrorism in general recently. Second of all as I've previously said it's based on the bahavior of the plane.

When it comes to testimony from Russia and America saying they believe it was terrorists I'm slightly sceptical, but if it's an Egyptian aviation minister who probably only has pressure to say it's not a terrorist attack because it will fuck Egyptian tourism up even more if it is, and even he's saying it was most likely terrorism, I'm inclined to trust that guess, even if it is just a guess so far.