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Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
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RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 2, 2010 at 3:28 pm)Thor Wrote:
(August 1, 2010 at 8:13 pm)chatpilot Wrote: Fundamentalists for example do not care about facts nor science they take whatever the bible says literally no matter how stupid or insane it may seem. Because they base their entire belief system on faith they do not see the need to provide an explanation for contradictions in their scriptures.

Absolutely right! These twits don't just WANT their silly beliefs to be true, they NEED them to be true! It MUST be true! Consequently, they do not think rationally. They invent all kinds of looney excuses to rationalize any evidence that doesn't jive with their beliefs.

"The universe is only 10,000 years old!"

"Oh, yeah? Then how can we see light from stars that are MILLIONS of light years away?"

"Uhhhhh.... That's because God gave the light a head start so we could see it!"

How can you argue with a warped mindset like this? They ignore the evidence that is right in front of their eyes and embrace the most ridiculous and unlikely possibilities as absolute truth.

Man and dinosaurs lived together..... YEESH!

Imbeciles!

I guess that makes me one of those twits, I'm a fundie who believes the Bible is true, yet I like science.
I try to apply science to what is taught in the scriptures but some times things fall into the supernatural realm and as of now can not be explained I do have hope that science will answer some of the questions that are unanswerable at this time. This is how I see the supernatural it is science so advanced that we are not able to comprehend it. I'm not saying that this is absolute it's the way I see it.
As for the light getting a head start I think whoever told you that meant that God created the light from the stars and held it in place until He created the stars thus all stars were visible to the first peope He created. The universe is a wonderful time piece and I've never seen a time piece that was not made by someone intelligent and then set in motion. No time piece that I know of has ever fell into place and started itself. So why should the universe be any different. It has a creator and He set it in motion.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#22
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 2, 2010 at 10:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: I guess that makes me one of those twits, I'm a fundie who believes the Bible is true, yet I like science.
I try to apply science to what is taught in the scriptures but some times things fall into the supernatural realm and as of now can not be explained I do have hope that science will answer some of the questions that are unanswerable at this time. This is how I see the supernatural it is science so advanced that we are not able to comprehend it. I'm not saying that this is absolute it's the way I see it.
As for the light getting a head start I think whoever told you that meant that God created the light from the stars and held it in place until He created the stars thus all stars were visible to the first peope He created. The universe is a wonderful time piece and I've never seen a time piece that was not made by someone intelligent and then set in motion. No time piece that I know of has ever fell into place and started itself. So why should the universe be any different. It has a creator and He set it in motion.

Yes, you are definitely one of those twits. The difference between science and your bullshit religion is that science is based on facts backed by evidence. If scientists have yet to discover how something came into being, they do not make up bullshit fairy tale stories to explain it. Religion is just that, belief in fairy tales and imaginary friends created by men to control the gullible.

Yes, the universe is wonderful, and there are a lot of things that we do not yet fully comprehend, but that is the beauty of science. We are not afraid to say "we do not know" rather than succumb to your fairy tale. It is not logical to say that because we do not yet understand something "goddidit". Why do you feel the need to believe made up stories and imaginary beings to try and explain something you don't understand?

Religion and imaginary friends have no place in the 21st century. It keeps you ignorant and close minded to reality. Thanks to science we understand a lot more about our world and the universe than we did in the past when people felt the need to make up gods and fairy tales to try and explain how it all came to being. We are not in that time anymore.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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#23
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 2, 2010 at 10:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: I guess that makes me one of those twits, I'm a fundie who believes the Bible is true, yet I like science.
I try to apply science to what is taught in the scriptures but some times things fall into the supernatural realm and as of now can not be explained I do have hope that science will answer some of the questions that are unanswerable at this time. This is how I see the supernatural it is science so advanced that we are not able to comprehend it. I'm not saying that this is absolute it's the way I see it.
As for the light getting a head start I think whoever told you that meant that God created the light from the stars and held it in place until He created the stars thus all stars were visible to the first peope He created. The universe is a wonderful time piece and I've never seen a time piece that was not made by someone intelligent and then set in motion. No time piece that I know of has ever fell into place and started itself. So why should the universe be any different. It has a creator and He set it in motion.

Science so advanced that... what?
There are a lot of things that we won't understand about the universe. Many properties that it exhibits that we're still struggling to understand. I can thoroughly say that there isn't a resputable scientist alive who can take anything from the bible seriously. Nothing. It already contradicts everything we already know and can't possibly be used to reliably cover the things we currently don't know.

While you may believe there is a 'designer' in the universe, I can most confidently assert that the universe neither has nor needs a designer to have set it in motion and I can definately assert that it wasn't the god of the christian or any other bible that set it in motion.

There's no room for supernaturalism in science any more than mysticism or any of the other faiths you don't believe in; like scientology or pastafarianism.
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#24
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
And just to really mind fuck the xtians ....we have this
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/pla...rent-dead/
Australian morning program.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#25
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 2, 2010 at 10:25 pm)Godschild Wrote: I guess that makes me one of those twits,
Yes
Quote: I'm a fundie who believes the Bible is true, yet I like science.
Only if you think it supports your fairy tale, otherwise it is inspired by Satan.
Quote:I try to apply science to what is taught in the scriptures but some times things fall into the supernatural realm and as of now can not be explained I do have hope that science will answer some of the questions that are unanswerable at this time.
You might as well try applying science to a Enid Blyton novel, they're both equally fanciful.
Quote: This is how I see the supernatural it is science so advanced that we are not able to comprehend it. I'm not saying that this is absolute it's the way I see it.
Then you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the words "supernatural" and "science"
The first means something is beyond natural and therefore immune to analysis by science, by definition since everything is encompassed by nature, supernatural=fiction.
Science is merely the tool we use to understand nature. Thusly this statement"science so advanced that we are not able to comprehend it" is incorrect.
Quote:As for the light getting a head start I think whoever told you that meant that God created the light from the stars and held it in place until He created the stars thus all stars were visible to the first peope He created.
If your god has done this he is the greatest liar of all time, because he has misled us all by presenting the universe other than it is and causing us to think it is something that it is not.
Quote: The universe is a wonderful time piece and I've never seen a time piece that was not made by someone intelligent and then set in motion. No time piece that I know of has ever fell into place and started itself. So why should the universe be any different. It has a creator and He set it in motion.
No, the universe is not a timepiece. To call it such in order to lead into your little spiel about never having seen a timepiece that did have a creator is disingenous to say the least.
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RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
Quote:I guess that makes me one of those twits, I'm a fundie who believes the Bible is true, yet I like science.


But you like fairy tales more. Therein lies the problem.
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RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 3, 2010 at 5:52 am)Zen Badger Wrote: If your god has done this he is the greatest liar of all time, because he has misled us all by presenting the universe other than it is and causing us to think it is something that it is not.

And there lies the best answer to the rationalization about the light from the stars. If you think your god lied to us through what we find in the natural universe, how can you trust the same god who wrote your scripture?

As Thomas Paine wrote, "when one lie is detected, a thousand are suspected."
...and btw, I have a few vids on the topic of Genesis and all the attempts (both fundy and liberal) to reconcile it with science:

Problems with Gen 1 and 2

Excuses offered by Fundies

"Hey, all this is just a metaphor!"
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...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
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...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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#28
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
Quote:Set Free Christian Church's Tim McKenzie said when students questioned him why dinosaur fossils carbon dated as earlier than man, he replied that the great flood must have skewed the data.
-so why there is no proof about that great flood of yours?
-great flood must have skewed the data..
-okay.
-and wh--
-great flood!!!!!
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.

Gandalf The Gray.
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#29
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 3, 2010 at 7:43 pm)annatar Wrote: -so why there is no proof about that great flood of yours?

Satan must have hidden the evidence to confuse us!
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

Atheist I Evolved!
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#30
RE: Students taught humans coexisted with dinosaurs
(August 3, 2010 at 9:09 pm)DiRNiS Wrote: Satan must have hidden the evidence to confuse us!

Also known as the very scientific Satan is a Dick Theory according to SMBC science ministers.

By the by, Deist, excellent videos.
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