Atheists and Retards

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Does she not see my argument? Or is she just pretending I didn't answer?

[Losty]

The coat hanger thing is not a myth. And it still happens. Not just in countries where abortion is illegal but also in areas where abortion is legal but extremely expensive and difficult to get.

[abaris]

From what I have heard, atheists do not care for retards or people with disabilities generally.

Apart from the troll smell I can't get out of my nose, you heard wrongly. And may I just add that using the word retard kind of backfires on the one using it.

[Janice_Spokes]

You are speaking about two different things. Abortion is not murder no matter how much you want to equate the two. For example, my wife had a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage a number of years ago. We noticed it and carried on with our day, it was not a baby it was a clump of cells, why she miscarried I don't know but it was probably natures way of stopping a mistake, we have more sophisticated techniques than nature supplies so we can use that.
If a baby had died I would have been broken, but it was a large clump of cells.
By the way when you say "retarded" what do you mean? which of the myriad illnesses that ignorant people call retarded do you mean?

Whatever you say darlin' .

Can you mind addressing my points about the disconnet between how society views the fetus and how the law does? According to you, Charles Manson should not have been charged with double murder for killing pregnant Sharon Tate. After all, Sharon's fetus was worthless according to you!

I thought I was pretty fucking clear about what a retard is. It's... I don't know... you know it when you see it.. when your too stupid to function and slobber around and can't do much right. Geez, my kids know what "Retard" means.

[Losty]

Without legal abortion, illegal abortion would come back with all the horrors that brought.

Can you give me some statistics on illegal abortions? I understand the whole "coathanger thing" was a myth.

Look at the countries where abortion is illegal. how many illegal abortions are there?

Also, if there were some risk to the mom's life in kiling her baby (whether through infection or whatever) it might make her wise up, and think ( in a selfish way of course) "I don't wanna die/get injured.. Id better bear and love this baby as my lord asks me to!"

Also, with all these women getting abortions.... Have they never heard of adoption??

Another thing.... whenever someone argues for protecting the unborn someone always brings up the example of "well what about some teenager who is raped?"

I think it should be allowed in that instance and think its a hideous circumstance. But let's be realistic. Far and away most of the time women seeking abortions aren't doing it because of that. Why don't liberals admit, that very often, perhaps even most of the time it is women who conceived after they forgot to take the pill, after the condom broke, or for some other reason, that they were unable to escape the consequences of their "screw everyone but me" hard partying life style?

Half the single mothers are such because of a simple lack of self control. Anyway, should we really encourage such a "consequence free" lifestyle? Instead of our politicians caving into this spirit, they should have the courage to say "You brought this burden on yourself. You bear it."

I'm going to use the term correctly so you can see it in context. You're a fucking retard.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Apparently, I need to repeat myself, since she just brought up the legal question.

Look, lady. Even if we grant your argument, that a fertilized egg is a full human being, it comes down to a balancing of rights between humans. The right to bodily integrity, which includes the ability to choose how and when we procreate, is unassailable. Even though (per this argument) the fetus-baby is also a human, it does not possess the legal right to *force* the mother to use her own body to carry it to term, and to risk the mother's life in giving birth (childbirth is roughly 16 times more lethal to the mother than abortion).

I'll try to explain via analogy. Let's say that you convince me to drink antifreeze, and my kidneys shut down. You're my only kidney donor match on the planet. I will certainly die if you do not undergo an operation (at risk to your own life) in order to save my life... and it's certainly because of your action that I am only able to live via your organs. With me so far?

The question is: do we have the legal right to force you to save my life by risking yours, to invade your body to get the kidneys even if you don't want to give up that kidney or undergo the process?

As a moral question, I think most people would agree that you should give up your kidney to keep me alive. But that's very different from the legal question of whether or not it would be ethical to force you to do so by law. 

The same applies to our views about abortion. No one likes abortion. But it would be a far worse world, as far as I am concerned, if people who were against abortion in all circumstances were able to make the government use its power to force others to conform to their beliefs about it. It would be a far worse world if we told people they had to give birth to any child they did not wish to produce, that they had to place their own lives at risk in order to save the life of another.

That does not mean we think of disabled persons as "lesser" people. They are simply products of mistakes in DNA and/or fetal development. If they are born (if their parents choose to bring them into the world anyway), then they deserve the absolute equal respect and whatever accommodation they need from our society.

I believe you are letting emotions get in the way of reasonable thinking on this topic, as evidenced by the use of shaded language, which others are trying to point out to you. It's why they think you're trolling us.

[Janice_Spokes]

I'm going to use the term correctly so you can see it in context. You're a fucking retard.

My my my. Someone sounds like she was brought up to be barnyard white trash!

[abaris]

There's not only a troll smell. There's a True Christian smell. Or the smell of an exceptionally sweaty, past the sell by date sock.

[Losty]

I'm going to use the term correctly so you can see it in context. You're a fucking retard.

My my my. Someone sounds like she was brought up to be barnyard white trash!

Aww you're so adorable. It's cute that you think I could value or even care about your opinion of me after you have exposed yourself here as a crappy person with severely lacking moral standards.

[Homeless Nutter]

[...]According to you, Charles Manson should not have been charged with double murder for killing pregnant Sharon Tate. After all, Sharon's fetus was worthless according to you![...]

There's starving children in Africa, that could've ate that fetus...