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Hell and God cant Co-exist.
#81
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
If god as real, there would be no need for faith.

Faith is the theist's excuse to believe in defiance of reality.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
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#82
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 9:08 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: If god as real, there would be no need for faith.

Faith is the theist's excuse to believe in defiance of reality.

We all know how faith works in the eye of a hurricane.... 

Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today. 


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#83
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 11:25 am)Divinity Wrote: The idea of an all loving god is incompatible with hell.  That much should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.  We'll get the bullshit of "God doesn't send you to hell, you send yourself there!"  Which is bullshit, because God created hell in the first place, and set up all the rules himself so they can fuck off with that shit.

Its alsi bullshit because the same people will insist god is omniscient, thus meaning, if true, that your "choice" was preordained.
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#84
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 12:47 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(June 2, 2016 at 4:20 am)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: God is supposed to be Omnipresent, and Hell is supposed to be a seperation from God.

This makes no sense, they cant co-exist, its one, or neither.
Christians cant sacrifice God's supposed Omnipresense or hell in order to have a somewhat consistent belief.

The supposed paradox is created by not understanding omnipresence. God is present everywhere in the sense that he knows what is happening and sustains his creation in being. That would apply to Hell as well. 

If you then talk about the denizens of Hell being separated from God, that is simply in a personal/relational sense. In that sense, they do not have the experience of the presence of God. 

Imagined problem solved.

No dummy, that's omniscience not omniprescence. And you wonder why I've no respect for your intelligence. Well not knowing the attributes of your favourite fictional character contributes (though it's mostly the masses of bullshit you spout expecting us to take it seriously).
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#85
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(June 2, 2016 at 1:19 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I don't, in Steve's words, experience the presence of god right now.  Does that mean I'm currently in hell?

Nah, just means you're somewhere in New Hampshire. Unless you're on a trip elsewhere.
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#86
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 1:54 pm)SteveII Wrote:
(June 2, 2016 at 1:03 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: Is God in my asshole? Or does he just know what's going on in my asshole while sustaining it? Can I experience the presence of God in my asshole?

@Chad, I have taken to adding people like this to my ignore list. It cleans up my thread and I really don't have to worry about missing something.

Yeah it's nice when you can just blot out those who have valid objections to your worldview, isn't it Steve? Me I use the ignore function on thread spammers and those who constantly push repugnant ideas (like neo-nazism).
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RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 3, 2016 at 3:12 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:
(June 2, 2016 at 12:47 pm)SteveII Wrote: The supposed paradox is created by not understanding omnipresence. God is present everywhere in the sense that he knows what is happening and sustains his creation in being. That would apply to Hell as well. 

If you then talk about the denizens of Hell being separated from God, that is simply in a personal/relational sense. In that sense, they do not have the experience of the presence of God. 

Imagined problem solved.

No dummy, that's omniscience not omniprescence. And you wonder why I've no respect for your intelligence. Well not knowing the attributes of your favourite fictional character contributes (though it's mostly the masses of bullshit you spout expecting us to take it seriously).

And you are not understanding the nuance. God is an infinite mind. He is not present in any one place, he is fully present in all places. What does fully present mean? His consciousness is everywhere. God is fully informed about every state of the universe ("knows what is happening") because he is present. This is different from simply knowing all things (omniscience).  

BTW, I only answered your post because others are reading it now and might like to hear the answer to your objection. Otherwise your obnoxiousness would have me skip right over.
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#88
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
So then, God is present in hell.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
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#89
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 3, 2016 at 3:19 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote: Re: Is God in my asshole? Or does he just know what's going on in my asshole while sustaining it? Can I experience the presence of God in my asshole?
(June 2, 2016 at 1:54 pm)SteveII Wrote: @Chad, I have taken to adding people like this to my ignore list. It cleans up my thread and I really don't have to worry about missing something.

Yeah it's nice when you can just blot out those who have valid objections to your worldview, isn't it Steve? Me I use the ignore function on thread spammers and those who constantly push repugnant ideas (like neo-nazism).

You have me curious....what makes you think this is a valid or compelling argument; that your response was to?
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#90
RE: Hell and God cant Co-exist.
(June 2, 2016 at 4:28 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Thanks. I suspect he's got me on ignore because he doesn't like being exposed as an idiot. Sorry, CL, lately I've been losing patience because the so-called rational skeptics have been trying to avoid seeing their objections be decimated. I've debunked their "no evidence" card three times on separate threads by listing the clear and obvious evidence. Not one atheist has even attempted to respond.

No one responded to your unsupported philosophical masturbation? I'm shocked...
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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