God is in charge of the world.

[LastPoet]

https://youtu.be/zxKJ-REbUlI

[Ravenshire]

I worship God because he is my creator and loves me.  Also, it didn't end with Jews.  They were close to wiped out in 70 AB and have been persecuted ever since.  Salvation is for any person, regardless of race or nationality.  You go ahead and face punishment.  I wouldn't call myself a coward, but rather smart.

So basically battered spouse syndrome?

Love from fear is not love at all.  Surely an all-knowing Deity would realize this.

Yep. There's no difference between "Love me or I'll kill you, bitch" and "Love me or I'll send you to hell, filthy sinner."

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He decides who gets raped, he decides who gets murdered, he decides who dies from a horrible disease.

As true Christians, it is about time you started thanking God for it all.

Everything is done in His name.

Not true at all.  If I kill someone it's because I decided to do it, not God.  You're supposition is wrong.  It is true, though, that God allows it to happen and doesn't stop it.

Sorry, Lek, but God bears a good deal more responsibility for things than just allowing them. If God is omnipotent and creative, then God created the decisions made by human beings (check of statement: If there is anything that happens without God's having created it, then God is not omnipotent). It isn't as if God just stands idly by and lets 14 years old Susan be raped, tortured and killed - God created rapists, torturers, killers, and the desires and decisions to rape, torture and kill. God, in effect, is ultimately responsible for every act of evil that has ever occurred, both moral and natural (if you like, I'll be delighted to point out why free will cannot exist in the context of an all-powerful God, but that's not immediately germane).

You might want to look up the Parable Of The Insane Dog Breeder. It's a quick read and explains the ultimate paucity of Christian morality as pertains to moral evil.

Boru

[Lek]

Not true at all.  If I kill someone it's because I decided to do it, not God.  You're supposition is wrong.  It is true, though, that God allows it to happen and doesn't stop it.

Sorry, Lek, but God bears a good deal more responsibility for things than just allowing them.  If God is omnipotent and creative, then God created the decisions made by human beings (check of statement:  If there is anything that happens without God's having created it, then God is not omnipotent).  It isn't as if God just stands idly by and lets 14 years old Susan be raped, tortured and killed - God created rapists, torturers, killers, and the desires and decisions to rape, torture and kill.  God, in effect, is ultimately responsible for every act of evil that has ever occurred, both moral and natural (if you like, I'll be delighted to point out why free will cannot exist in the context of an all-powerful God, but that's not immediately germane).

You might want to look up the Parable Of The Insane Dog Breeder.  It's a quick read and explains the ultimate paucity of Christian morality as pertains to moral evil.

Boru

No. God created beings who could make evil decisions, but he gave us the opportunity to make our own decisions. Knowing what decisions we will make is not the same as actually making the decisions. I will agree that God could stop evil from happening, but then he would be going against the decision he made to give us free will. We would be nothing but puppets and you wouldn't have the choice to reject him either. We do the evil acts, but if you want to believe that God is responsible for it all then go ahead.

[KevinM1]

Put another way, inaction is complicit if it's deliberate when a violation/assault is occurring.

Of course, I also scoff at the notion of a 'perfect' design that purportedly requires such violence and waste (god works in mysterious ways, dontcha know), but that's beside the point right now.

[dyresand]

Sorry, Lek, but God bears a good deal more responsibility for things than just allowing them.  If God is omnipotent and creative, then God created the decisions made by human beings (check of statement:  If there is anything that happens without God's having created it, then God is not omnipotent).  It isn't as if God just stands idly by and lets 14 years old Susan be raped, tortured and killed - God created rapists, torturers, killers, and the desires and decisions to rape, torture and kill.  God, in effect, is ultimately responsible for every act of evil that has ever occurred, both moral and natural (if you like, I'll be delighted to point out why free will cannot exist in the context of an all-powerful God, but that's not immediately germane).

You might want to look up the Parable Of The Insane Dog Breeder.  It's a quick read and explains the ultimate paucity of Christian morality as pertains to moral evil.

Boru

No. God created beings who could make evil decisions, but he gave us the opportunity to make our own decisions.  Knowing what decisions we will make is not the same as actually making the decisions. I will agree that God could stop evil from happening, but then he would be going against the decision he made to give us free will.  We would be nothing but puppets and you wouldn't have the choice to reject him either.  We do the evil acts, but if you want to believe that God is responsible for it all then go ahead.

But how is it that modern man.. i dunno is more moral than god and even kinder and not to mention fixing our own problems 
that is causing suffering. Modern medicine fixed the problem of suffering with sickness. The problem of hunger still a issue and were doing what we can.
If you were to believe the bible were true.. god himself is a megalomaniac sociopath and murderer. With the option love god and jesus or burn in hell
here is the kicker i love neither. The funny thing is the bible paints satan out to be a better judge of character than the supposed all loving god himself.
But i digress.... the OT speaks for itself. You know and i know god of the bible is unchanging but get this god in the OT isn't all.. then in the NT why
did he change at all seems contradictory dont you think?

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Any moment now some dickhead will be along talking about devils, and free will, and omnipresence and omniscience and other philosophical blather that doesn't mean squat.

Not me. I'm take the theology to its logical conclusion so obviously they deserved the fate that befell them. 

This is the moral universe we live in, guided by the loving hand that decided to fling most of us into eternal torment after we die. 

Thank you Lord for not visiting Your righteous wrath upon me today. I kiss Your most Holy Ass despite the mess you make of everything down here on earth.

[dyresand]

Any moment now some dickhead will be along talking about devils, and free will, and omnipresence and omniscience and other philosophical blather that doesn't mean squat.

Not me. I'm take the theology to its logical conclusion so obviously they deserved the fate that befell them. 

This is the moral universe we live in, guided by the loving hand that decided to fling most of us into eternal torment after we die. 

Thank you Lord for not visiting Your righteous wrath upon me today. I kiss Your most Holy Ass despite the mess you make of everything down here on earth.

Seems like a cunt if you ask me

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Seems like a cunt if you ask me

No, the Lord's got a big dick, as he proved in a holy dick pic he sent to Ezikiel

Ezekiel 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

[KevinM1]

It's both funny and sad to see Christians attempt to fit the square peg of an ancient people's idea of morality into the round hole of modernity. The resulting contortions only highlight the cognitive dissonance on display.

Suffice it to say, the entire idea of an all-powerful god creating the universe, then telling it like it is to certain people living on a mud ball in some galaxy, and creating a convoluted system of judging and testing people to see if they can enter an idyllic afterlife (but only after they accept that he sent himself/his son down to said mud ball in order to create a path of salvation for those people after the vicarious sacrifice of himself/his son to himself, whereby the son/himself became a zombie for a bit) is idiotic.

Oh, it's clever in its delivery. The entire thing is predicated on the cultural fear of an angry father figure and the enticement of divine mystery. And it's set up perfectly as a cult, to both propagate and deny people from leaving once the hooks are in place. But that's no indicator of the value of the ideas professed by the religion. Scientology does the exact same thing.

For all the mental masturbation surrounding whether a god exists, nothing points to the ancient version of Twilight as being the actual one.