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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 9:09 am
(June 8, 2016 at 12:33 am)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: (June 7, 2016 at 11:57 am)Drich Wrote: Just because God was with Judah, what makes you assume that they are destined to win? Again though out this book God is with the people over and over again when they loose their battles. (June 6, 2016 at 9:06 pm)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: God is supposed to be all powerful, and it's made clear if god is with a certain group of people, they will win.
Deuteronomy 20:1-4
1 When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the Lord your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you. Also, if a supposedly all powerful god's will is superseded by a chariot, then he isnt all powerful.
see above
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 9:43 am
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(June 8, 2016 at 2:20 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (June 7, 2016 at 12:50 pm)Iroscato Wrote: This reminds me of Batman v Superman debates. Maybe the iron chariots had a lot of prep time and access to kryptonite?
What's there to debate? Superman destroys Batman. End of. It's not even close.
Yeah but in terms of being boring Superman is highest on the list second only to He-man. Oh look something else wrong with the world, I'll let Superman sort it out in an instant *yawn*.
Who'd be interested in a being like that?
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 1:23 pm
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 1:32 pm
I'm not looking at your funny...
... he lied.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Drich Wrote:
Just because God was with Judah, what makes you assume that they are destined to win? Again though out this book God is with the people over and over again when they loose their battles.
Quote:God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best.
Voltaire
As usual, Voltaire makes a lot more sense than your fucking god.
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 8, 2016 at 5:26 pm
(June 8, 2016 at 9:09 am)Drich Wrote: (June 8, 2016 at 12:33 am)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: Also, if a supposedly all powerful god's will is superseded by a chariot, then he isnt all powerful.
see above Okay. Your question has been answered. You seem to be all sola scriptura until someone uses it against you.
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 10, 2016 at 4:55 pm
So if I understand Drich correctly, it means absolutely nothing if YHWH is with an army or not.
Jesus is like Pinocchio. He's the bastard son of a carpenter. And a liar. And he wishes he was real.
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 10, 2016 at 5:02 pm
He's sort of like the George W. Bush of gods.
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 10, 2016 at 5:17 pm
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(June 10, 2016 at 5:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: He's sort of like the George W. Bush of gods.
Oh so the Jews lost to the iron chariots because YHWH had to finish reading Dr Seuss before he could get up and help. George WTF Bush was metaphorically reenacting history by showing that a juggernaut nation cannot defeat aluminum box cutters.
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RE: God vs. Iron Chariots
June 13, 2016 at 3:41 pm
(June 6, 2016 at 9:06 pm)Socratic Meth Head Wrote: God is supposed to be all powerful, and it's made clear if god is with a certain group of people, they will win.
Deuteronomy 20:1-4
1 When you go to war against your enemies and see horses and chariots and an army greater than yours, do not be afraid of them, because the Lord your God, who brought you up out of Egypt, will be with you
And yet...
Judges 1:19
And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
The somewhat laughable part is the verse below,
Joshua 17:18
but the forested hill country as well. Clear it, and its farthest limits will be yours; though the Canaanites have chariots fitted with iron and though they are strong, you can drive them out."
So, Christians, can god stop Iron Chariots?
The proper question is: Can God stop iron chariots through Judah?
The answer is: Yes, but only if Judah has enough faith to show up for the fight.
This is a recurring theme in scripture. Sometimes it's spelled out. Sometimes it isn't.
A clear example is when Israel sent 12 spies into the promised land, and 10 came back saying that the land couldn't be conquered.
An example that isn't so clear (as with the iron chariots) is:
Mark 6
4 But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country, among his own relatives, and in his own house.” 5 Now He could do no mighty work there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them. 6 And He marveled because of their unbelief. Then He went about the villages in a circuit, teaching.
It's not that Jesus had less power in one geographic area, or that he is somehow powered by human faith. It's simply that Jesus would go to a place and people would bring the sick to him in faith that he would heal them. In a place where people lacked faith, they didn't bring the sick, and so Jesus didn't do many miracles there.
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