This Was A Message To Bernie

[Minimalist]

from the superdelegates.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4c9c85038...nomination

AP count: Clinton has delegates to win Democratic nomination

Clinton has 1,812 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses. She also has the support of 571 superdelegates, according to an Associated Press count.

The AP surveyed all 714 superdelegates repeatedly in the past seven months, and only 95 remain publicly uncommitted.

[dyresand]

The super delegates don't matter min if you take out that and some other things Bernie has the lead over her.
Super delegates don't vote until later in the year so between now and then they can flip. So all it takes is for hillary
to get indictment then they have no choice but to flip.

[Iroscato]

Man, the Bernie supporters are starting to annoy even me now. It's over. Sanders lost. Hillary has won. Fin.

[abaris]

What's the difference between delegate and superdelegate?

[Minimalist]

The super delegates are democratic party officials and office holders who are automatically entitled to a vote at the convention.  The Bernie crowd has convinced itself that because they are not elected in a primary/caucus and thus not committed to any candidate that they will suddenly decide, en masse, to support a non-democrat ( Bernie is an Independent) over someone who has been busting her ass for the party for 30 years.  It's a delusion.  It always has been.

[dyresand]

What's the difference between delegate and superdelegate?

Think of them as sponsors with a lot of money that's pretty much what they are.

[Tiberius]

The super delegates are democratic party officials and office holders who are automatically entitled to a vote at the convention.  The Bernie crowd has convinced itself that because they are not elected in a primary/caucus and thus not committed to any candidate that they will suddenly decide, en masse, to support a non-democrat ( Bernie is an Independent) over someone who has been busting her ass for the party for 30 years.  It's a delusion.  It always has been.

Oh Min.

So firstly, the Bernie crowd hasn't convinced itself of anything. What the Bernie crowd are saying is possible, because, well, it's how superdelegates work. Even the DNC state categorically that superdelegate votes shouldn't be counted in totals, because they aren't pledged to any candidate. The DNC themselves are well aware that superdelegates can change their minds, so naming a presumptive nominee based on counts that include superdelegates is dishonest.

Secondly, Bernie isn't an Independent. He's a democrat, he's running for the Democratic nomination, and he's stated that in future races he will run as a Democrat. Even when he was an Independent, he was a Democrat in all but name only, with the Democratic party supporting him against the Republican nominee.

Finally, your own words betray you Min. You would prefer to vote for someone who "has been busting her ass for the party for 30 years" than someone who has been busting their ass for the people for over 30 years. This is the terrible truth about party politics, and why Sanders has been an Independent for so long. When leaders are decided based on how loyal they have been to a party rather than how well they have served the people, you know you have a broken system.

Realistically, Clinton likely won't get enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention. According to Google's count, she needs 571 out of the remaining 813 ( > 70%) to net the majority of pledged delegates and officially earn the nomination.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

At least let California, New Jersey and the other states vote today before we ask Bernie to throw in the towel.

[dyresand]

The super delegates are democratic party officials and office holders who are automatically entitled to a vote at the convention.  The Bernie crowd has convinced itself that because they are not elected in a primary/caucus and thus not committed to any candidate that they will suddenly decide, en masse, to support a non-democrat ( Bernie is an Independent) over someone who has been busting her ass for the party for 30 years.  It's a delusion.  It always has been.

Oh Min.

So firstly, the Bernie crowd hasn't convinced itself of anything. What the Bernie crowd are saying is possible, because, well, it's how superdelegates work. Even the DNC state categorically that superdelegate votes shouldn't be counted in totals, because they aren't pledged to any candidate. The DNC themselves are well aware that superdelegates can change their minds, so naming a presumptive nominee based on counts that include superdelegates is dishonest.

Secondly, Bernie isn't an Independent. He's a democrat, he's running for the Democratic nomination, and he's stated that in future races he will run as a Democrat. Even when he was an Independent, he was a Democrat in all but name only, with the Democratic party supporting him against the Republican nominee.

Finally, your own words betray you Min. You would prefer to vote for someone who "has been busting her ass for the party for 30 years" than someone who has been busting their ass for the people for over 30 years. This is the terrible truth about party politics, and why Sanders has been an Independent for so long. When leaders are decided based on how loyal they have been to a party rather than how well they have served the people, you know you have a broken system.

Realistically, Clinton likely won't get enough pledged delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention. According to Google's count, she needs 571 out of the remaining 813 ( > 70%) to net the majority of pledged delegates and officially earn the nomination.

^^^^ This so much this 

Thank you Tiberius

[account_inactive]

What's the difference between delegate and superdelegate?

Think of them as sponsors with a lot of money that's pretty much what they are.

Yeah, American politics seems to be largely about money by the looks of things. It's sad, really.