Proving Atheism Is True

[chasm]

Ya think? Based on what? And do they pick and choose, accepting some points but not others?

That's the part I hate. :/

[Edwardo Piet]

(Note: Most Christians do believe in evolution)

Ya think? Based on what? And do they pick and choose, accepting some points but not others?

Merely the sheer amount of Catholics and the fact the pope accepts evolution is enough alone I guess.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Well, in my opinion atheists attack fundamentalist ideas.

Well,you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Don't let anything as prosaic as evidence change your mind.

Atheists as a group don't do anything,and hold one and only one idea in common; a disbelief in gods.

"As an atheist" I attack no person, no ideology or beliefs.As a skeptic, humanist,materialist, as well as misanthropic reprobate, I will often attack willful ignorance and humbuggery of diverse kinds. Dogmatic believers are soft target due toe their depth of ignorance and sublime ability to actually ignore evidence.

[KichigaiNeko]

Well, in my opinion atheists attack fundamentalist ideas.

Well,you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Don't let anything as prosaic as evidence change your mind.

Atheists as a group don't do anything,and hold one and only one idea in common; a disbelief in gods.

"As an atheist" I attack no person, no ideology or beliefs.As a skeptic, humanist,materialist, as well as misanthropic reprobate, I will often attack willful ignorance and humbuggery of diverse kinds. Dogmatic believers are soft target due toe their depth of ignorance and sublime ability to actually ignore evidence.

^^^^^
WHS...gets my vote

What is really laughable is that fundamentalilsts attack other fundmentalists ideals....quite humerous really...just wait long enough and they will wipe each other out in the name of "their Beliefs"

[solja247]

Well,you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Don't let anything as prosaic as evidence change your mind. Angel

Evidence, but if I used evidence I would be acting against my faith and may become an atheist?

I find it funny Atheists think they are so rational and then we question why they think they are so rational, they use straw men to defend their rationality.

"As an atheist" I attack no person, no ideology or beliefs.As a skeptic, humanist,materialist, as well as misanthropic reprobate, I will often attack willful ignorance and humbuggery of diverse kinds. Dogmatic believers are soft target due toe their depth of ignorance and sublime ability to actually ignore evidence.

I used to think Atheists were seekers of the truth. The majority of them are so passionately against religion and the idea of God or gods, that if God walked up to them, they would completely dismiss it.
Well, I hope you are the rare type of atheist who respects other people.

[Zen Badger]

Well,you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Don't let anything as prosaic as evidence change your mind. Angel

Evidence, but if I used evidence I would be acting against my faith and may become an atheist?

Since faith is believing in something in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, the last thing you want to do is use evidence

I find it funny Atheists think they are so rational and then we question why they think they are so rational, they use straw men to defend their rationality.

Examples of these "strawmen" please, or I am afraid you are just talking out of your arse.

"As an atheist" I attack no person, no ideology or beliefs.As a skeptic, humanist,materialist, as well as misanthropic reprobate, I will often attack willful ignorance and humbuggery of diverse kinds. Dogmatic believers are soft target due toe their depth of ignorance and sublime ability to actually ignore evidence.

I used to think Atheists were seekers of the truth. The majority of them are so passionately against religion and the idea of God or gods, that if God walked up to them, they would completely dismiss it.
Well, I hope you are the rare type of atheist who respects other people.

Religion is historically used to control and manipulate populations so yes, I am against it.

Why would I reject the notion of god if I met him/her/it? Irrefutable evidence has been presented,

I must accept it, to do otherwise would be obtuse(much like creationists really).

Atheism is not about hatred or rejection of god/gods, it is just refusing to believe in something for which there is no evidence.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

[The Omnissiunt One]

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[quote]Evidence, but if I used evidence I would be acting against my faith and may become an atheist? [/quote]

Yes, that's the unfortunate truth.

[quote]I find it funny Atheists think they are so rational and then we question why they think they are so rational, they use straw men to defend their rationality.[/quote]

God's existence is no more probable a priori than that of fairies, pixies or leprechauns. Assuming you don't believe in these things, atheists merely demand a reason for believing that God's existence is more likely than the existence of other supernatural or mythical entities. That seems fairly reasonable to me. No straw men are required for the atheist position to hold.

[quote]I used to think Atheists were seekers of the truth. The majority of them are so passionately against religion and the idea of God or gods, that if God walked up to them, they would completely dismiss it.
Well, I hope you are the rare type of atheist who respects other people.[/quote]

I'll admit that much religious doctrine doesn't appeal to me, and therefore I'm glad that there's no reason for supposing it to be true. If God did walk up to me, though, if I could establish that it wasn't just a strange psychological quirk, I would probable believe. In fact, I'm inclined to be persuaded by even fairly weak evidence, until I evaluate it rationally, or read something which debunks the evidence. So, I'm actually quite open-minded. Could it be that you're clinging to straw-men of atheists?

[solja247]

Since faith is believing in something in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, the last thing you want to do is use evidenceThinking

Come on mate. I advise you read some Christian apologetics, this statement is just plain wrong.

I find it funny Atheists think they are so rational and then we question why they think they are so rational, they use straw men to defend their rationality.

Examples of these "strawmen" please, or I am afraid you are just talking out of your arse.

I said:

I find it funny Atheists think they are so rational and then we question why they think they are so rational, they use straw men to defend their rationality.

Me: So can you show me how you are more rational than me or any other theist?

Atheist: because I dont believe in the spaghetti monster, Zeus, fairies, Santa Claus or God or gods for that matter.

Me: You still fail to answer my question without resorting to straw men, what makes you more rational than me?

Religion is historically used to control and manipulate populations so yes, I am against it.

At times, Religion can be a way to enlightenment. After all, isnt modern day science founded upon Christian scientists?

Why would I reject the notion of god if I met him/her/it? Irrefutable evidence has been presented,

Well you are minority.

I must accept it, to do otherwise would be obtuse(much like creationists really).

Atheism is not about hatred or rejection of god/gods, it is just refusing to believe in something for which there is no evidence.

In theory. Like Christians are supposed to love their neighbor and be nice people.
Most Atheists have this passion against religion or God, I dont really know why. I think they get confused between a fundamentalist and a rational theist.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

I have met some Atheists who are like you have described, but most are obnoxious and arrogant and arent seekers of the truth. If anyone says what they believe is more rational and concludes that everyone else should believe they believe, they are no longer a seeker of the truth. I have read quite a few posts in this forum and unfortunately a lot of atheists here arent seekers of the truth, its rather sad.

[The Omnissiunt One]

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[quote]Me: So can you show me how you are more rational than me or any other theist?

Atheist: because I dont believe in the spaghetti monster, Zeus, fairies, Santa Claus or God or gods for that matter.

Me: You still fail to answer my question without resorting to straw men, what makes you more rational than me?[/quote]

You have yet to show that God is a priori any more likely than such entities. Even if he were, that wouldn't make his existence more likely, or even as likely, as his non-existence.

[quote]At times, Religion can be a way to enlightenment. After all, isnt modern day science founded upon Christian scientists?[/quote]

Everyone was Christian back then. So, technically true, but irrelevant.

[quote]Well you are minority.[/quote]

I agree with him. So it's a larger minority than you think (if it is a minority). Funnily enough, it's generally only believers who have direct experiences with God, though.

[quote]I have met some Atheists who are like you have described, but most are obnoxious and arrogant and arent seekers of the truth. If anyone says what they believe is more rational and concludes that everyone else should believe they believe, they are no longer a seeker of the truth. I have read quite a few posts in this forum and unfortunately a lot of atheists here arent seekers of the truth, its rather sad.[/quote]

So no-one can make a truth claim about anything? It's not more rational to say that the moon's made of rock than that it's made of cheese?

[solja247]

God's existence is no more probable a priori than that of fairies, pixies or leprechauns. Assuming you don't believe in these things, atheists merely demand a reason for believing that God's existence is more likely than the existence of other supernatural or mythical entities. That seems fairly reasonable to me. No straw men are required for the atheist position to hold.

No serious scientists has been able to refute the idea of God. However, most can refute leprechauns, pixies and fairies.
I think it is rather likely that God exists by looking at the evidence.

If the Big bang was a little too big or too small (by just a fraction of a fraction) We would have no live no elements on the period table, no more stars, no planets and no life. So the universe does appear to be fine tuned for life and everything in it. I do believe this is rather solid evidence and no serious person can refute it. The universe appears to be designed.