Islam Counter-Apologetics

[vorlon13]

I'd be surprised if the Koran was 10% more (or 10% less, LOL) self contradictory than the Christian bible.

[robvalue]

I get the feeling the Kerrang is slightly less self contradictory. But I've got a long ways to go with it yet so that's speculation at this point.

[Spinchance]

I get the feeling the Kerrang is slightly less self contradictory. But I've got a long ways to go with it yet so that's speculation at this point.

As mentioned on another post:

The Quran, Islam, cannot be true because it was Mohammed who introduced the Quran to this world. 
Islam was spread by the sword. 

Forced conversions and Jihad are void of Divine reason and as such they are against God's nature. 

God has always interacted with us through the "Logos" and Logos means Reason and Word, not sword.

[paulpablo]

I get the feeling the Kerrang is slightly less self contradictory. But I've got a long ways to go with it yet so that's speculation at this point.

As mentioned on another post:

The Quran, Islam, cannot be true because it was Mohammed who introduced the Quran to this world. 
Islam was spread by the sword. 

Forced conversions and Jihad are void of Divine reason and as such they are against God's nature. 

God has always interacted with us through the "Logos" and Logos means Reason and Word, not sword.

But there's no valid argument in what you're saying.

I could provide a counter argument that I believe God made Muhammad spread the Quran via the sword.

[robvalue]

I think it's fair to say that something which is evidently true would not require force in order to convince people.

So it doesn't mean it's false, but it means it's highly suspect.

But the Kerrang can't all be true, because of its contradictions.

[Spinchance]

As mentioned on another post:

The Quran, Islam, cannot be true because it was Mohammed who introduced the Quran to this world. 
Islam was spread by the sword. 

Forced conversions and Jihad are void of Divine reason and as such they are against God's nature. 

God has always interacted with us through the "Logos" and Logos means Reason and Word, not sword.

But there's no valid argument in what you're saying.

I could provide a counter argument that I believe God made Muhammad spread the Quran via the sword.

You could provide the 'counter argument' you mentioned, it would be an empty argument.

Historically God has shown us with plenty examples that the 'word' (Jesus title is also Logos)  is His preferred and legitimate method of interaction: He has 'spoken' ( used reason, logic, words) to Adam, Satan, Abraham, Moses and even Muhammad.
The sword is obviously against God's nature.

If Muslims follow a true sunnah, it should be God's.

(If one believes any of this religious bull)  

[Aoi Magi]

God, kicked adam out and blocked the path with a flaming sword, it was god who murdered first born children in egypt, and flooded the world. In what world do you see the abrahamic god to be a peace loving non-violent non-asshole? how can a sword be against the nature of a genocidal maniac?

[Darwins Disciple]

I'm interested to hear if people have had debates, discussions or arguments with Muslims about Islam and if they have any arguments that they have found effective. There's a lot of material online on Christianity - I find debates are a great way to get a thorough understanding of the argument from both sides - but there is much less theological discussion about Islam that I have found, and from a casual glance at the news on any given week, it's by far the religion that we should all be the most concerned about right now.

What question are you trying to answer:

1 - is Islam the truth or a bunch of lies? or ...

2 - is Islam a religion of peace or violence?

Islam is a peaceful religion.

You come in peace,...and leave in pieces.  Explanation:

1. Get caught stealing,...cut off your hand.

2. Don't believe in Islam,...cut off your head.

3. Daughter may potentially have sexual thoughts,...cut off her clit.

4. Someone disagrees with your beliefs,...strap a suicide vest on and blow yourself to 'pieces'.

That is what is meant by: Islam is a peaceful religion.
You come in one peace,...you leave in many pieces.

[Angrboda]

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Matthew 10:34-36

[WinterHold]

Actually, the Quran is mainly evolving around two major points:

1-Sever punishment after judgement
2-Eternal mercy and salvation after judgement

Well, it's that simple. It's a day that comes after we die; we wake up in shock thinking that our lives were a matter of days compared to this one day; then we shall see hell, to it the losers will get thrown; while the winners will survive in paradise.

To disprove Islam, you need to wipe out every negative action in life, that brings sadness and sorrow. People believe in so many cases, because of the pain they see. When you see children in Africa dying from hunger, and on the contrary see obese Americans feasting on fast food, see humans waste wealth on sex and warfare instead of feeding others, well, one re-thinks hell and indeed re-thinks Islam's concepts.

Oh well, it's God the merciful, and at the same time the severe in punishment, it's the perfect balance. People think God is a bedwin Sultan, others believe he's a feminist lady, others accuse him of being Buddha, while in reality, his vision gets us but ours can't get him; he is the creator, he is not what humans think, and that stereotypical idea about Islam (which Sunni and Shiite Muslims contributed so so much to), is wrong. 

Look at the universe.
Read the Quran, and look at your house cat when it says in your face "Meaaaaao" !
Look at baby dears
Look at the sun, the moon