Islam Counter-Apologetics

[Mystic]

Do you think Pharaoh discussed in Quran is particularly about Pharaoh? Or is Pharaoh used to show something more universal in structure of society? (ie. the Taghut)

No idea.  I couldn't begin to guess.

So how come you are guessing the opposite with Abu Lahab? You are assuming it's about a particular person, with no implications, as a general lesson.

[The Grand Nudger]

If God was unrelated to humanity and unrelated to guidance, and was not something universal in humanity, there would no point. The Quran for example briefly mentions Michael. The ahadith tell us exactly who Michael is. Does it matter at the end, if it's Michael, or someone else with a different name?

Not even remotely close to what I asked you, is it?  Regardless, you telling me that magic book can;t manage to get people's names right?  Sounds like an inherent flaw to me.  

In the case of God, because he is unique and one, it is about God in particular.

I'm unique, you're unique, we're all unique...a regular bunch of snowflakes.  Try again .

In the case of the Pharaoh or Prophet's evil uncle, they represent instances of the Taghut or branches of the Taghut. 

and what does the allah metaphor/naming error represent?  

Sometimes the Quran talks in general, and sometimes it brings specific examples to a specific time and place. But the latter can have general implications, and just as the general talk has particular instances in time and place.

-and you have the magic key to magic book.  

[paulpablo]

No idea.  I couldn't begin to guess.

So how come you are guessing the opposite with Abu Lahab? You are assuming it's about a particular person, with no implications, as a general lesson.

Because the quran addresses Abu Lahab by name.  Or doesn't it?   According to all translations I've seen it uses the specific name Abu Lahab. 

I've never read the story of pharaoh and I have no intention of doing because I find the quran very boring.  The only time I ever read it was to debate Islam.  But then I'd find myself getting into discussions like this, about why would I assume a chapter is about a person only because the person is addressed directly by name.

[Mystic]

Every Surah has a relationship to Suratal Fatiha, and it seems to me many Surahs have other Surahs or themes compliment them aside from that.

[The Grand Nudger]

One would hope so, or magic book has been incompetently compiled and edited, like finding a chapter from betty crockers home made cookbook in the middle of war and peace..........and wouldn't -that- be unfortunate.......

[abaris]

Am I the only one getting a strong troll smell from this thread opening spree? What's the OP question supposed to mean anyway, when it's at home?

[Veritas_Vincit]

Am I the only one getting a strong troll smell from this thread opening spree? What's the OP question supposed to mean anyway, when it's at home?

I'm interested to hear if people have had debates, discussions or arguments with Muslims about Islam and if they have any arguments that they have found effective. There's a lot of material online on Christianity - I find debates are a great way to get a thorough understanding of the argument from both sides - but there is much less theological discussion about Islam that I have found, and from a casual glance at the news on any given week, it's by far the religion that we should all be the most concerned about right now.

[abaris]

Other than here on this board and other internet forums, I had no religious discussion at all. That includes christians, muslims, jews and whatever denomination the people were I talked to in my life. People don't go around rubbing their faith into everyone's face where I live. And I'm not the least bit interested if and what the people I meet or know, actually do believe.

[robvalue]

Islam apologetics tends to be exactly the same as Christian stuff, trying to prove some faceless formless non-physical timeless entity, then at the last minute pulling out a story book and hoping we won't notice the difference.

And crap about "prophecies" and scientific knowledge in the Quran. Haha. You know what else has science in it? Science books. Check it out! You don't even have to ignore almost all of it and rewrite the rest either.

[mralstoner]

I'm interested to hear if people have had debates, discussions or arguments with Muslims about Islam and if they have any arguments that they have found effective. There's a lot of material online on Christianity - I find debates are a great way to get a thorough understanding of the argument from both sides - but there is much less theological discussion about Islam that I have found, and from a casual glance at the news on any given week, it's by far the religion that we should all be the most concerned about right now.

What question are you trying to answer:

1 - is Islam the truth or a bunch of lies? or ...

2 - is Islam a religion of peace or violence?