Best Qur'an?

[Sheed1980]

Well since u like what the future shows, what about the miracle of the moon in The Qur'an? Now u do realize the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century right? When no scientific machines nor technology existed, so the only One who could have a correct state of mind on what the future would consist of would be none other than The Creator, God Himself. I thought I mentioned this before but I have no problem with bringing it up again:

Surah (chapter) 54 of the Qur'an is Al-Qamar or The Moon. The word "moon" is only mentioned once in this entire chapter in the first verse. If u should count the remaining verses until the end of the Qur'an u will get the # 1,390. The year 1,390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar is THE EXACT SAME as the year 1969 of our Gregorian calendar that we go by to this day. My point being that we all know in 1969 man (Neil Armstrong) first set foot on the moon. So my question is of this future event to happen over 1,300 years later which is listed in a scripture that is the complete word of God alone, who else but He could have known that this event would take place in the exact same year as the number of verses remaining to the end of the Qur'an except The One to allow it to happen this way exactly 1390 years later? Or how about chapter 57 Al-Hadyd "The Iron". The letters of the Arabic language have numerical value similar to Roman Numerals. In the word Hadyd H=8 D=4 Y=10 and D=4 totaling 26. Go to any periodic table and look up the atomic number for iron symbol Fe, u see 26. Now if u add the Arabic prefix Al making it The Iron, A=1 and L=30 totaling 31. 31 +26=57 which is the chapter #. Also being 114 chapters in the entire Qur'an 57 is EXACTLY HALFWAY. If u slice the Earth in half u will see the core consists of iron alloy. In Arabic there is no letter "V" so the substitute letter is "W". In The Qur'an 8:72 The word WeNuS appears. If u place the "V" where the "W" is it spells Venus, one of our solar system's planets. The next time this word WeNuS appears is in 11:3 and the final time is in 17:7. If u count the verses between 8:72 and 11:3 u get 243. It takes Venus EXACTLY 243 days to revolve around the sun. Now to go even further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7). Finally in chapter 46 Al-Ahqaf " The Sand Dunes" verse 23 says MAa uRSiltu meaning "what I am sent with". Verse 30 says ba'aDEI MOoSa or "after Moses". So as u see these translations have no futuristic or astronomical message but look at the capitalized letters. MARS and DEIMOS. This is the only chapter these 2 names are mentioned together and science has proven Deimos is a moon that orbits Mars, the red planet which is entirely covered in sand dunes, also the name of this chapter. Who else but The Creator knew these things in the 7th century which science today has verified as absolute fact? So is God's 7th century prediction of these things , among many others telling enough of the future for u? This is how we know these are not coincidences but a strategic plan from God Allah Himself. Something to think about my friend.

Oh man, if you find that at all convincing, I'm starting to see the problem. What I am asking for and I'll be very clear, is a future scientific discovery. One that we haven't yet found. It should be easy, with all these miracles in the qu'ran.

U r saying that we haven't yet found. My response to that is that the Qur'an was revealed in the 7th century as the last scripture from God to mankind. So if these things weren't found in the 7th century but are proven as true now it was still true back then when the people simply didn't know about. Truth is truth no matter what time period it is discovered in. And u have to also realize that in the 7th century and all prior times before (ancient Greece, Rome etc) those people didn't know the scientific qualities and aspects of planets. Telescopes weren't invented until the mid 1500s. People in those times thought Gaea the Earth goddess was nursing her children and they bit her nipple and spread stars throughout the galaxy which is why its called the Milky Way. So Whoever strategically entered this information into the Qur'an (Allah did), u have to admit He must've known what He was talking about especially since it all is proven as undeniable FACT with the science & technology we have today. But for sake of argument let's say Allah didn't know all these things. How do u come to think that all of these things fall into place so perfectly and are proven as true if The One who put them there didn't know what they were talking about? How is ALL of this true information? What is ur reasoning to declare it as false? The way u make it sound is these things were false back in the 7th century but they are true now. Truth is truth

[CapnAwesome]

Oh man, if you find that at all convincing, I'm starting to see the problem. What I am asking for and I'll be very clear, is a future scientific discovery. One that we haven't yet found. It should be easy, with all these miracles in the qu'ran.

Well u have to admit that in the 7th century and all prior times before (ancient Greece, Rome etc) those people didn't know the scientific qualities and aspects of planets. Telescopes weren't invented until the mid 1500s. People in those times thought Gaea the Earth goddess was nursing her children and they bit her nipple and spread stars throughout the galaxy which is why its called the Milky Way. So Whoever strategically entered this information into the Qur'an (Allah did), u have to admit He must've known what He was talking about especially since it all is proven as undeniable FACT with the science & technology we have today. But for sake of argument let's say Allah didn't know all these things. How do u come to think that all of these things fall into place so perfectly and are proven as true if The One who put them there didn't know what they were talking about? How is ALL of this true information? What is ur reasoning to declare it as false?

Numerology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Anytime someone says "The A represents 1 and the B represents 2" you are making that up post fact and fitting it to what we know now. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say anything about those letters meaning numbers.

What I want to know, and it should be easy for you since you think there is all this science in the Qu'ran, is what the future holds. Tell me that or shut the fuck up.

[Sheed1980]

Well u have to admit that in the 7th century and all prior times before (ancient Greece, Rome etc) those people didn't know the scientific qualities and aspects of planets. Telescopes weren't invented until the mid 1500s. People in those times thought Gaea the Earth goddess was nursing her children and they bit her nipple and spread stars throughout the galaxy which is why its called the Milky Way. So Whoever strategically entered this information into the Qur'an (Allah did), u have to admit He must've known what He was talking about especially since it all is proven as undeniable FACT with the science & technology we have today. But for sake of argument let's say Allah didn't know all these things. How do u come to think that all of these things fall into place so perfectly and are proven as true if The One who put them there didn't know what they were talking about? How is ALL of this true information? What is ur reasoning to declare it as false?

Numerology is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Anytime someone says "The A represents 1 and the B represents 2" you are making that up post fact and fitting it to what we know now. Nowhere in the Qu'ran does it say anything about those letters meaning numbers.

What I want to know, and it should be easy for you since you think there is all this science in the Qu'ran, is what the future holds. Tell me that or shut the fuck up.

Here is a website for the values of abjad or Arabic alphabet numerical values. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=arabic+a...u30n8nM%3A


Now so I can paint a picture to try to get u to understand my point....Let's say u and I live in the 7th century when the Qur'an was first revealed. U still ask what does the future hold? But u don't realize that the Qur'an has not changed and never will. Not one single letter has been changed, misplaced, or anything of the kind in over 1400 years. So the same questions that people who disbelieved in it as Allah's word alone asked the same question ur asking now "What does the future hold". As u can clearly see the answers I gave u are just some of the future holding events. So in the 7th century when someone asks what does the future hold is 1969 when man walked on the moon the future? Prove to me any of the scientific knowledge given in the Qur'an as false and I'll never bother u again

[The Grand Nudger]

Other than those examples of -actual- scientific claims made in the quran...not your loon numerology,  that were as false when they were stolen from other cultures as they are today? Other than those things you offered..just in this thread...that turned out to be you, or whomever you cribbed them from..being bad at math in the first place? Do you understand what you're being asked to produce?

An actual "scientific miracle", not a retrofit of known science to quran related numerology. If what you have is the later, it's pointless to pretend that it's the former. The quran predicted nothing. That would be left to those people who scoured over it after the fact, desperately trying different number schemes until they happened upon something sciencey-sounding. Would you like to see some of the things that I can make the quran...or you...say? I bet not. I;m willing to wager that you'd say I made this or that up..and that's not really what you, or the quran..said, and you'd be right.........