UK to leave EU

[ukatheist]

I can't stand Sturgeon myself, or Salmond before her, but have to admit she totally played May over indyref2.


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[Isis]

I can't stand Sturgeon myself, or Salmond before her, but have to admit she totally played May over indyref2.


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I can't really stand her as a person and disagree with some of her positions but she definitely doesn't take any nonsense from Westminster, that's for sure.

[Mr Greene]

Right, the politicians in Wales obviously aren't representing the majority of the Welsh voters and that is wrong. But at least the SNP are representing the majority of Scottish voters, as much as I disagree with them at times.

I have a bit of respect for Sturgeon because she continues to go against the British establishment despite all the shit she gets for it. I certainly wouldn't vote for her or her party though.

As for the plan, you're damn right more clarity would be helpful. They better come to a United position pretty fucking soon because A50 is being triggered in two days.

Assuming that a vote to remain in the EU = a vote to leave the UK...
Quite an assupmtion given the economic ties between England and Scotland. It's possible we could drag Ireland out of the EU if we don't get a free trade agreement.

[Isis]

Assuming that a vote to remain in the EU = a vote to leave the UK...

I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you honestly think that the EU would allow Scotland to remain part of both? In fact, it's unlikely that Westminster would allow it either.

Quite an assupmtion given the economic ties between England and Scotland. It's possible we could drag Ireland out of the EU if we don't get a free trade agreement.

Yes, it's true that we have economic ties with England, what exactly is your point? I also highly doubt that we could persuade our Irish friends to leave the European Union but I suppose anything is possible.

[abaris]

I also highly doubt that we could persuade our Irish friends to leave the European Union but I suppose anything is possible.

Seeing that Apple, Facebook and a number of other major companies have their European headquarters in Ireland - for tax reasons - this is highly unlikely. They would cut their major source of income, if they were to leave.

[Isis]

I also highly doubt that we could persuade our Irish friends to leave the European Union but I suppose anything is possible.

Seeing that Apple, Facebook and a number of other major companies have their European headquarters in Ireland - for tax reasons - this is highly unlikely. They would cut their major source of income, if they were to leave.

Hence the "I also highly doubt" part.

I agree with you.

[Mr Greene]

Given the balance of trade with Ireland, going to WTO rules would destroy the Irish economy, Apple etc. would not be capable of taking up the slackl and the the result would make Greece look like a stroll in the park.
The same would be true of a potentially independent Scotland in the EU.
That is the scenario I was thinking of and may explain all the rhetoric regarding a no-deal outcome from Westminster.

[GUBU]

Given the balance of trade with Ireland, going to WTO rules would destroy the Irish economy, Apple etc. would not be capable of taking up the slackl and the the result would make Greece look like a stroll in the park.
The same would be true of a potentially independent Scotland in the EU.
That is the scenario I was thinking of and may explain all the rhetoric regarding a no-deal outcome from Westminster.

Going to WTO rules is destroying the English economy, the bankers in the City of London are already decampng to Frankfurt, many businesses who export are beginning to realise that with no ties to the single market they're going to be fucked regulations wise (which was always going to be a problem), and English farmers are beginning to wake up to the fact that the Tories are not going to cover the lost CAP payments, meaning most of them are out of business in 2020.

[Mr Greene]

CAP was always a losing proposition, it decoupled supply and demand (which worked so well in the Soviet Union) resulting in the supermarkets being able to get away with paying stupidly low prices for produce. That is always going to end in disaster, and throw in the fact that actively promotes fraud and inefficient practices gives it only way to go.

[ukatheist]

Assuming that a vote to remain in the EU = a vote to leave the UK...

I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you honestly think that the EU would allow Scotland to remain part of both? In fact, it's unlikely that Westminster would allow it either.

I don't mean to speak on behalf of MG, but I think he is referring to an assumption that those who voted to remain in the EU, would vote to leave the UK in the event of a second referendum (in other words, that those people would choose EU membership over the union). I tend to agree that membership of both is not favoured by May or the EU.

I personally agree that the issue is a bit more nuanced than that, and EU but not UK membership comes with it's own set of problems that weren't a factor in indyref1, such as the English/Scottish border, and trade with the rest of the UK, which I understand to be Scotland's biggest market (and far bigger than the EU) on whatever terms the Brexit negotiations produce.

That's not to mention those Scots who don't want to be in either.