UK to leave EU

[The Grand Nudger]

Smart people are perfectly capable of holding stupid ideas.  

[Napoléon]

Smart people are perfectly capable of holding stupid ideas.  

Indeed. As evidenced throughout this thread. (not by me!   )

[abaris]

Smart people are perfectly capable of holding stupid ideas.  

The smart idiot syndorme, you mean. I'm willing to accept that for the likes of Carson, but some of our members here really keep me baffled.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'd rather be told by someone that I'm a cunt than treated as if they respect my intelligence in one breath but in another telling me that what I think is stupid.

There are many intelligent people I respect and agree on in many issues, who have some opinions I think are stupid.

I think your issue is you seem to think that if someone thinks any of your opinions are stupid then that's an attack on you personally.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Catastrophe. I work for a 250 index company (the majority of which are UK based) and we lost millions. Our shares dropped almost £1, and our supply chain (mostly spread throughout Europe and the UK) are nervous about the implications.

Whole referendum was a sham. We live in a representative democracy, and the vast majority of people have no clue as to how the EU works or the ramifications for staying/leaving.

But, whatever. What's done is done.

[Edwardo Piet]

Good to see you E3M3, yes this is a fucking disaster.

[Edwardo Piet]

Smart people are perfectly capable of holding stupid ideas.  

Indeed. As evidenced throughout this thread.

Yup!

[abaris]

I'd rather be told by someone that I'm a cunt than treated as if they respect my intelligence in one breath but in another telling me that what I think is stupid.

Oh yes, second helping of the same reply: Why exactly? Do you usually agree with anything any person says? Do you usually disagree with everything any person says? Can there be shades of grey in between the two extremes.

Suffice to say, with you, I only found some common grounds on gaming. Which is pretty wanting in my opinion. With Bella it's 50:50.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Well, that's not very democratic of you.

Sure it is. We don't live in a direct democracy. We live in a representative democracy. That means we elect people to make decisions for us. Just because we don't vote on everything individually doesn't mean we aren't democratic.

This was a complicated issue. Most people didn't properly understand it. Lies were spread, there was fear mongering. The vote should have never happened.

Nigel Farage just admitted on TV that the Leave campaign were wrong to say £350 million a week could be spent on the NHS if we left the EU. The lies are already emerging.

QFT. When one considers that this was mostly a ref called by David Cameron to hold at bay the growing right wing euro-skeptic element both of his party and UKIP, you see it as less of an opportunity for people to 'have their say' and more of a political gamble to cement the Conservative position of pro-EU.

Of course, it back fired because it was actually more older and disenfranchised Labour voters who came out to vote instead. And why people thought Corbyn was truly a remain campaigner I'll never know. For 30 years he has actively campaigned *against* EU membership. An article published today accuses Corbyn of effectively scuppering the remain campaign by refusing to stand with Conservative remainers, and choosing to keep party lists secret which indicated that more and more working class voters in traditional heartlands were voting leave. Again, catastrophe.

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-david...ina-obama/

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, all joking aside...this is what I see.  Leaving was an objectively bad idea by any practical and quantifiable metric.  It was decided, by some, that a premium paid for independence (however defined) was acceptable.  Okay, I get that.  

Having decided to pay that premium, however, it seems strange that anyone would hope, imply, or argue, that the bill will not need to be paid, doesn't exist, or will be smaller than it was already known to be. That's pie-in-the-sky thinking.