UK to leave EU

[Edwardo Piet]

But you won't be rioting yourself? What makes you think everyone else will be instead?

Just a feeling, I guess. We'll see what happens.

And if it does happen, you'll enjoy watching it? Nice.

[I_am_not_mafia]

That's not to say that a Brexit might even happen ...

Liberal Democrats pledge to keep Britain in the EU after next election

This would give them a democratic mandate to stop the Brexit from happening. Unfortunately we have only just had a general election, but that's not to say that there can't be a vote of no confidence in the current Tory government. It would require some Tories to rebel though, but I am sure that there are enough pro EU Tory landowners now suddenly financially worse off because they will lose payments from the EU's Common Agricultural Policy.

Even life long Tory voters like my mother would vote for the Lib Dems (she was the one that emailed me about this). The Leave vote on the other hand would be split between traditional Labour and Tory voters. The pro EU SNP would undoubtedly offer to join a coalition with the Lib Dems in such an event. The Lib Dems used to be popular in Scotland.

[Edwardo Piet]

I normally vote Labour but now I'm gonna vote Liberal Democrat unless Labour do something similar.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Instead of a petition calling for another referendum, we need one calling for a vote of no confidence. There would be a legitimate reason to ask for that, even debating it in parliament would have repercussions. I'd sign that. It should be easy to get enough signatures.

[abaris]

It would require some Tories to rebel though, but I am sure that there are enough pro EU Tory landowners now suddenly financially worse off because they will lose payments from the EU's Common Agricultural Policy.

If the Tories are anything like other European conservatives, they also look after bankers and corporatists. They won't be too happy over the decision either. The City obviously is already on full alert with some banks actually considering to move shop to Ireland and Germany. The EU is withdrawing it's banking section from Londong also. A logical step, justified by saying you can't very well house an EU institution in a country that just declared to leave.

All of this won't make Tory supporters the happiest persons in the world right now.

[Edwardo Piet]

Instead of a petition calling for another referendum, we need one calling for a vote of no confidence. There would be a legitimate reason to ask for that, even debating it in parliament would have repercussions. I'd sign that. It should be easy to get enough signatures.

If it's easy to get the signatures, how do I start one?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Instead of a petition calling for another referendum, we need one calling for a vote of no confidence. There would be a legitimate reason to ask for that, even debating it in parliament would have repercussions. I'd sign that. It should be easy to get enough signatures.

If it's easy to get the signatures, how do I start one?

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/s...petitions/

Could be a good thing to post the text here and get people's feedback on it before submitting the petition. How you phrase it would be critical.

First thing I'd do is think of the reasons why there should be a vote of no confidence in the current government. Namely that the current government has shown that they will put the future of the country in jeopardy in order to promote their own political careers. Due to the EU referendum the social, political and economic outlook of the country has changed dramatically as a result and that if people had known this in advance their vote would have been different etc.

[madog]

 


Madog: Dude...what? First off, it's pretty clear from the language in the law you linked that they're targeting advertisements and nothing else. The idea that more rights will follow if we don't let vape vendors advertise to the public is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy. Is that a restriction on freedom of speech? Maybe for people who want to sell you vape pens on TV, but for anyone else the law is practically irrelevant.
 

The example I chose to make a point on was about a much bigger issue, which was ridiculed prior to any evidence being considered .... so no I won't further discuss the issue and certainly not  with those who have showed they have formed their opinions and don't give a shit for evidence if it challenges their beliefs, other than to point out what should have been obvious to any one with any understanding of law ....

Law isn't just how you interpret the articles, but how the important terms are defined ....

There is no independently legal definition for "Commercial Communication" or "Information Society services" except for some specific legislation for example a European Directive 2000/31/EC .... But an important note the acts/dirctives define those terms and in particular only for the purposes of those acts or Directives where they have been used.

Commercial Communication is a broad term when undefined, discussing any product in a any medium when it was Commercially available is "Commercial Communication" when taken to its broadest interpretation ... because of this these and other similar broad terms are defined so the Courts are limited to the intentions of the Act or Directive....

Note The European Commission failed to define "Commercial Communication" or "Information Society services" this issue is presently before the European Parliament ...

[emjay]

If it's easy to get the signatures, how do I start one?

https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/s...petitions/

Could be a good thing to post the text here and get people's feedback on it before submitting the petition. How you phrase it would be critical.

First thing I'd do is think of the reasons why there should be a vote of no confidence in the current government. Namely that the current government has shown that they will put the future of the country in jeopardy in order to promote their own political careers. Due to the EU referendum the social, political and economic outlook of the country has changed dramatically as a result and that if people had known this in advance their vote would have been different etc.

I'm handing the keyboard over to my sister who has a few things to say:

I woke up this morning with the thought in my head that I need to start a petition. Mainly based around reading about the possibility of a general election as early as the autumn, and the Lib Dems promising to override the referendum and remain in the EU if elected (which would guarantee them my vote). This one thing gives me hope and I'm concerned about the pressure from the EU and the Brexiters to hurry up and leave already! I got as far as wording the petition on https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/check but lost my nerve as I wanted to remain anonymous! The point of my petition is to balance the pressure to rush this with the demand for consideration. If anyone wants to take this wording and amend it/start it, please please do!

Petition: "To commit to not invoking Article 50 to leave EU until after a general election" (there is a 80 character limit so I deleted the word 'the'!)

Background: This petition is to call on the UK government to not give in to pressure and rush to invoke Article 50 to leave the EU, and to wait until such time as a general election has been called before any such action is considered. This is to give the British public the opportunity to consider which party best represents their genuine interests in remaining in or leaving the EU before a decision of such consequence is put into action.

[LastPoet]

 


Madog: Dude...what? First off, it's pretty clear from the language in the law you linked that they're targeting advertisements and nothing else. The idea that more rights will follow if we don't let vape vendors advertise to the public is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy. Is that a restriction on freedom of speech? Maybe for people who want to sell you vape pens on TV, but for anyone else the law is practically irrelevant.
 

The example I chose to make a point on was about a much bigger issue, which was ridiculed prior to any evidence being considered .... so no I won't further discuss the issue and certainly not  with those who have showed they have formed their opinions and don't give a shit for evidence if it challenges their beliefs, other than to point out what should have been obvious to any one with any understanding of law ....

Law isn't just how you interpret the articles, but how the important terms are defined ....

There is no independently legal definition for "Commercial Communication" or "Information Society services" except for some specific legislation for example a European Directive 2000/31/EC .... But an important note the acts/dirctives define those terms and in particular only for the purposes of those acts or Directives where they have been used.

Commercial Communication is a broad term when undefined, discussing any product in a any medium when it was Commercially available is "Commercial Communication" when taken to its broadest interpretation ... because of this these and other similar broad terms are defined so the Courts are limited to the intentions of the Act or Directive....

Note The European Commission failed to define "Commercial Communication" or "Information Society services" this issue is presently before the European Parliament ...

Dude, all I want from you is the contact of the guy that sells you whatever you are vaping. Must be awesome