UK to leave EU

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38247937

The historic Brexit legal challenge has drawn to a close with a reminder from the Supreme Court that it will not "overturn the result of the EU referendum".

Lord Neuberger said the case focused on "the process by which that result can lawfully be brought into effect".

The Supreme Court president promised a decision "as soon as possible".

The hearing ended with the government's lawyer arguing ministers have the authority to trigger Brexit.

The case centres on the whether the UK government has the power to serve notice of its intention to quit the EU under Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty or whether, as various campaigners have claimed, it must seek Parliament's authorisation.

The first case to be heard before all Supreme Court 11 justices, it has pitted some of the leading figures in the legal world against each other and included arguments from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

[Pat Mustard]

Hard brexit is probably the only option at this stage, what with the UK ministers acting like spoiled babies and throwing their toys out the pram. Anything less will make the EU negotiators look weak.

And frankly the UK needs the EU, while the EU doesn't really need the UK.

[Emphasis mine]

You sure about that?

Most definitely. The UK banking sector is already planning on moving. The fisheries will be taken care of by the 120 mile rights. Agriculture is an area where the UK imports from the EU not vice versa. And industry is so laughably anaemic in the UK it couldn't survive inside the world's largest market, never mind outside (the bribe given to Nissan is so big the government refuses to give any details).

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The EU is a reciprocal supranational trading body (in it's purest form at least). It would be more accurate to say that the EU doesn't need the UK *as much* as opposed to not at all per se. But there will be supply chain and export markets directly affected even now by the uncertainty of the UK exit, both by the physical act and the surrounding unknown variables that affect it. I know, I work for a company which has a supply chain in Europe which has already seen job turnover increase as a direct result of contracting investment.

The UK is still currently the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. Removing that from direct unrestricted input into your common market will undoubtedly have an effect. The EU will probably be able to weather the storm better, due to size of it's biggest economies (France and Germany only). But you're potentially removing an economy the size of France from unrestricted free market access. I'm sorry, but there are people's jobs, businesses and pensions that rely on that economy being on the inside, both in the UK and EU.

Given how much of the UK's economy is offshore banking services (essentially moving money from A to B without paying taxes, laundering it then moving it to C) and how easy it is to move such services, the UK is fucked economically without the EU banking passports. So the best option the UK has outside EU membership is a relationship akin to the Irish English one between 1600 and 1801.

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Butthurt remoaners are at it again.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...rexit.html

Embittered Remain campaigners are seeking to get EU judges to rule Brexit can be cancelled in a fresh attempt to defy the will of the people.

Europhile lawyers will today launch new proceedings in Ireland that could pave the way for Britain’s departure being abandoned after the two-year formal exit process has been started.

The pro-EU campaigners will bypass the British courts as they believe the Irish judiciary will be more likely to refer the case the European Court of Justice – putting key decisions on Britain’s withdrawal in the hands of judges in Luxembourg.

The action could lead to more drawn out court battles that see the divorce proceedings tangled up in EU courts for longer than a year.

Jolyon Maugham QC, a barrister who is leading the legal bid, said he wanted to give voters the opportunity to ‘change their minds’.

He will challenge the government’s claim that once Theresa May invokes the mechanism for leaving the EU, the Lisbon Treaty’s Article 50, that this cannot be stopped.

If EU judges rule the two-year process is reversible, it would mean MPs would have the power to halt the process further down the line.

Mr Maugham believes this will tie Theresa May’s hands in negotiations, as Parliament, which has a majority of Remain-supporting MPs, will have the ability to reject or water down a deal between her and other EU leaders.

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So go and look for another source if you don't like it.

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Fantastic.

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1375290-eu-...-scotland/

The European Union has confirmed to STV News it will not negotiate separately with the Scottish Government over Brexit.

A spokesman for the European Commission, the EU's executive body, made the statement ahead of a meeting between its president Jeane-Claude Juncker and former First Minister Alex Salmond.

Salmond will meet the president in Brussels on Thursday as part of an awards ceremony.

In a statement to STV News, a spokesman for the commission said: "The president's doors are always open. Scotland is part of the UK and the commission respects the internal constitutional arrangements of the UK.

"Negotiations will take place with the UK Government only (once the UK sends its Article 50 notification)."

The commission's comments mean a Brexit deal for Scotland to retain single market access can now only go ahead if the UK Government pursues one in its talks with the EU.

Juncker met Nicola Sturgeon shortly after the UK voted to leave the EU and said "Scotland has won the right to be heard in Brussels".

[Autumnlicious]

Scotland squandered its opportunity to exit the UK. They'll have to take the Tory assramming.

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Scotland squandered its opportunity to exit the UK. They'll have to take the Tory assramming.

We could easily get another referendum if Nicola Sturgeon bitches and moans about it enough, and if Westminster allow it. I intend to vote to remain in the UK if another one happens.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38285217

European nationals in the UK and British citizens living in the EU must have a guarantee they can remain in place after Brexit, campaigners say.

The Three Million group is demanding assurances people will not be used as "bargaining chips".

Meanwhile, the think tank British Future wants a "fair" cut-off date for any settlement and citizenship changes.

The government says it wants to let the 2.8 million EU nationals stay in the UK, but member states must reciprocate.

The Three Million group delivered a letter to Downing Street on Monday, alongside 10 groups representing the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU.

It wants EU citizens living in the UK to be given permanent residence before Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty - getting Brexit negotiations with the EU under way - is triggered, which the government says will happen by the end of March.

"We are not bargaining chips," the letter reads. "We are people."

Speaking outside Downing Street, The Three Million's chairman Nicolas Hatton, a French former marketing worker who has lived in the UK for 21 years, warned Prime Minister Theresa May she would face a "bureaucratic nightmare" to register all the people unless she acted promptly.

[ukatheist]

Fuck reciprocal agreements, lets take the higher ground for a change and let those that are settled here stay regardless.

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