The traitors who voted against it.

Tory (1)
Ken Clarke

Labour (23)
Rushanara Ali
Graham Allen
Ben Bradshaw
Ann Coffey
Neil Coyle
Stella Creasy
Geraint Davies
Jim Dowd
Louise Ellman
Chris Evans
Paul Farrelly
Mike Gapes
Helen Hayes
Meg Hillier
Peter Kyle
David Lammy
Chris Leslie
Ian Murray
Barry Sheerman
Tulip Siddiq
Angela Smith
Catherine West
Daniel Zeichner

Lib Dems (5)

Alistair Carmichael
Nick Clegg
Tim Farron
Sarah Olney
Mark Williams

Green Party (1)
Caroline Lucas

SDLP (3)
Mark Durkam
Alasdair McDonnell
Margaret Ritchie

Independent (2)
Natalie McGarry
Michelle Thomson

Plaid Cymru (3)
Jonathan Edwards
Liz Saville Roberts
Hywel Williams

SNP (51)
Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh
Hannah Bardell
Mhairi Black
Ian Blackford
Kirsty Blackman
Philip Boswell
Deidre Brock
Alan Brown
Lisa Cameron
Douglas Chapman
Joanna Cherry
Ronnie Cowan
Angela Crawley
Martyn Day
Martin Docherty-Hughes
Stuart Blair Donaldson
Marion Fellows
Margaret Ferrier
Stephen Gethins
Patricia Gibson
Patrick Grady
Peter Grant
Neil Gray
Drew Hendry
Stewart Hosie
George Kerevan
Calum Kerr
Chris Law
Angus MacNeil
John Mc Nally
Callum McCaig
Stuart McDonald
Anne McLaughlin
Carol Monaghan
Paul Monaghan
Roger Mullin
Gavin Newlands
John Nicolson
Brendan O'Hara
Kirsten Oswald
Steven Paterson
Angus Robertson
Alex Salmond
Tommy Sheppard
Chris Stephens
Alison Thewliss
Mike Weir
Eilidh Whiteford
Philippa Whitford
Corri Wilson
Pete Wishart

Quote:All but five of the SNP 's MPs voted against triggering Article 50 before April

Sounds like those 5 are the traitors.

(December 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:All but five of the SNP 's MPs voted against triggering Article 50 before April

Sounds like those 5 are the traitors.

No, they're still cunts but at least they didn't vote against Brexit.

(December 7, 2016 at 12:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: A hard brexit won't be happening because it is not and never was a feasible solution to the UK's problems, as a point of fact it exacerbates them..... not because anyone's a cunt, lol.  People can dream of walling off their little island all they like, but ultimately, the reality of the situation will have to be accounted for.

Brexiters were sold a bill of goods, how hard is that to accept, really?  Did you expect otherwise from politicians?  All part and parcel to a wave of similar movements across the western world.  If I could have decided how it all turned out, I'd much rather have seen it fail here and succeed for you, there....unfortunately, our largess allows us to indulge in pipe dreams to an extent that the same ideological factions in the UK can only covet from afar.  Oh well.  Went the other way, didn't it.  Ever thought of emigrating to the US?

Hard brexit is probably the only option at this stage, what with the UK ministers acting like spoiled babies and throwing their toys out the pram. Anything less will make the EU negotiators look weak.

And frankly the UK needs the EU, while the EU doesn't really need the UK.

(December 7, 2016 at 8:03 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Hard brexit is probably the only option at this stage, what with the UK ministers acting like spoiled babies and throwing their toys out the pram. Anything less will make the EU negotiators look weak.

And frankly the UK needs the EU, while the EU doesn't really need the UK.

[Emphasis mine]

You sure about that?

(December 7, 2016 at 5:25 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(December 7, 2016 at 5:05 pm)Iroscato Wrote:

Pretty sure you just broke your own rules that you're meant to be enforcing as a moderator. IIRC, you aren't meant to edit all of the post, you're supposed to put something like "[Emphasis mine]" and then highlight the part you are replying to.

*tut tut*

Actually the rule states:

"members may quote them in whole or in part"

He quoted part of your post.

(December 7, 2016 at 10:38 pm)Tiberius Wrote: He quoted part of your post.

Oh okay.

(December 7, 2016 at 8:06 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(December 7, 2016 at 8:03 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Hard brexit is probably the only option at this stage, what with the UK ministers acting like spoiled babies and throwing their toys out the pram. Anything less will make the EU negotiators look weak.

And frankly the UK needs the EU, while the EU doesn't really need the UK.

[Emphasis mine]

You sure about that?

Yep.

(December 7, 2016 at 8:06 pm)Bella Morte Wrote:

(December 7, 2016 at 8:03 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Hard brexit is probably the only option at this stage, what with the UK ministers acting like spoiled babies and throwing their toys out the pram. Anything less will make the EU negotiators look weak.

And frankly the UK needs the EU, while the EU doesn't really need the UK.

[Emphasis mine]

You sure about that?

Yes, totally sure about that.

The EU is a reciprocal supranational trading body (in it's purest form at least). It would be more accurate to say that the EU doesn't need the UK *as much* as opposed to not at all per se. But there will be supply chain and export markets directly affected even now by the uncertainty of the UK exit, both by the physical act and the surrounding unknown variables that affect it. I know, I work for a company which has a supply chain in Europe which has already seen job turnover increase as a direct result of contracting investment.

The UK is still currently the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. Removing that from direct unrestricted input into your common market will undoubtedly have an effect. The EU will probably be able to weather the storm better, due to size of it's biggest economies (France and Germany only). But you're potentially removing an economy the size of France from unrestricted free market access. I'm sorry, but there are people's jobs, businesses and pensions that rely on that economy being on the inside, both in the UK and EU.